Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 22nd Nov 2006 18:16 UTC, submitted by anonymous
Novell and Ximian Novell and Microsoft recently entered into an agreement regarding software patents (really?) that betrays the rest of the Free Software community, including the very people who wrote Novell's own system, for Novell's sole financial beneift, according to Bruce Perens. Join Perens in signing an open letter to Novell's CEO Ron Hovsepian. "As the agreement stands today, it betrays the authors of the software you re-market and their users worldwide for Novell's sole commercial benefit."
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RE[2]: Clue Stick
by fsckit on Wed 22nd Nov 2006 20:57 UTC in reply to "RE: Clue Stick"
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You're obviously not getting it. Customers don't build SUSE Linux. Developers do. And it is precisely those who have been pissed off by this deal. Your percentages don't come into this at any point.

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RE[3]: Clue Stick
by Marcellus on Wed 22nd Nov 2006 21:26 in reply to "RE[2]: Clue Stick"
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So, what do you think CUSTOMERS will say when they see the developers having a pissfest about something that the customers see as a good thing?

The developers chose the license to release their code under, and now they get pissed about something that doesn't in any way violate the license?

Don't like it? Don't use the license in the first place.
And don't expect GPLv3 to solve any problems either. If you want any "solutions" to your perceived problems, you'll need changes in law, and you're sure as hell not going to see that.

Back to the original issue. How many developers are actually among those that are pissed by this deal vs those who don't give a shit or see the deal as a good thing? I see a few people that are very vocal about it, but they do not in any way represent all developers.

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RE[3]: Clue Stick
by phoenix on Thu 23rd Nov 2006 04:41 in reply to "RE[2]: Clue Stick"
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So all the non-Novell employed Linux developers are going to re-release all their software under a modified GPL license that includes a "can't be used by Novell or as a part of OpenSUSE" clause?

As long as there are developers employed at Novell, and as long as their are customers buying Novell products, what anybody else things doesn't matter.

AFAICT, no one has broken any part of the GPL, so Novell can continue to use the bits that others put out there.

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RE[4]: Clue Stick
by tomcat on Thu 23rd Nov 2006 05:29 in reply to "RE[3]: Clue Stick"
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Hear, hear. People are so clueless about the implications of this situation. The fact is that Novell (like anybody else using the GPL) will continue to operate freely and without limitations.

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RE[3]: Clue Stick
by tomcat on Thu 23rd Nov 2006 05:27 in reply to "RE[2]: Clue Stick"
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Yet those same developers -- pissed off or not -- won't have the option of withholding the Linux kernel from Novell, because they created the bed that they're lying in...

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RE[4]: Clue Stick
by 2fargone on Thu 23rd Nov 2006 10:56 in reply to "RE[3]: Clue Stick"
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While you maybe right at this moment, those very developers you're talking about are the ones Novell needs in the future to develope the software they're using. I would think it would be prudent to take care of those who you rely on for the product you're selling, because what happens when major chunks of the toolchain you need becomes unfriendly and you have to support several forks?

There is consquenses for backstabbing the community. Novell may think this is going to go away, but I have a feeling this is only the beginning of Novell's self-made headache.

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