openSUSE 10.2 RC1 has been released: "I'm glad to announce Release Candidate 1 of openSUSE 10.2 codename Basilisk Lizard. It contains a large number of enhancements and updates done by the open source community and Novell's development teams. Screenshot walkthrough here.
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Firstly there's licensing, which people moving from Windows want to get away from......That instantly makes it less attractive to people already on Windows. The less than stellar sales so far tells me that this is at least partially true.
Who wants to pay for licensing at all? You're not going to find one person. I can't speak for everyone, but like I said before, I would pay 95% less per seat to run SLED compared to windows. There are still a few technical issues, not least of which is the office suite compatibility which this deal is supposed to address at some level.
Why can't I get Novell support for openSuse? Because it's a Novell sponsored project, not a Novell product. Why would Novell offer support on it? Why can't you run the Novell client on openSuse? Because the client is geared for enterprise clients. What's the point in taking the time to make sure it works on openSuse when almost nobody needs it there?
I can't speak much on Evolution. The windows builds are very poor, but I haven't experienced the same on the Linux builds. How utterly bug-ridden was GroupWise exactly? 7.0 had issues, but bug-ridden is off the mark. Anyone who moved their agents to 7.0 were asking for trouble. Any admin who moves any production system to the next initial major version release would know what they are getting into and it's not advisable. I don't care if it's a Novell software product, Microsoft, Sun, whoever. And GroupWise 7sp1 was far more than a few bug fixes, that's what took them a year to get it out.
Novell continues to drop the ball in marketing. I'm not sure what their marketing department does, but it's not marketing their products. That's where they fail first, and that in turn hurts their bottom line. They have some damn good products, but nobody knows about them because Novell makes no effort to explain them. An ad exclaiming "Your open business is ready" does absolutely nothing to explain what they sell. That's their problem selling SLED, not what it brings technically.
Member since:2005-07-06
I can't speak for everyone, but like I said before, I would pay 95% less per seat to run SLED compared to windows.
It's not quite that simple. It's the whole complexity of moving, testing it out to make sure that it works etc. etc. Adding in the overhead of paying for support is an additional unneeded roadblock when you are trying to kick out an incumbant monopolist.
There are still a few technical issues, not least of which is the office suite compatibility which this deal is supposed to address at some level.
And you think Microsoft are going to help?
And GroupWise 7sp1 was far more than a few bug fixes, that's what took them a year to get it out.
Groupwise 7 was a disaster. It was left in an unworkable state for a year, and they couldn't even release a series of patches when they realised how bad things were. And installing it....... It's easier to install things like Web Access on Windows for heavens' sake.
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2005-07-06
Gossly inflated fee to who, someone trying to use it on their play machine? Yeah maybe.
Firstly there's licensing, which people moving from Windows want to get away from. Secondly there's the cost of updates and support. This kind of overhead is acceptable on servers but not on desktops. With Windows you pay your license and then update away. Sad, but true.
That instantly makes it less attractive to people already on Windows. The less than stellar sales so far tells me that this is at least partially true.
I can get Novell support for SLED, can't for openSuse.
Why?
I can run the Novell client on SLED, not openSuse.
Why?
I can run the cross platform groupwise client on SLED, not openSuse(at least it's not supported).
That would be Evolution, but considering how utterly bug-ridden Evolution and Groupwise are (it's taken about a year to get one service pack out for Groupwise 7) I would be holding off myself.
Really. These aren't selling points.
The point is, until you're actually in an "enterprise" environment, don't crap over something that is geared towards organizational networks and not mom's computer.
Newsflash: I am. Given the less than stellar sales of SLED I don't see people in enterprise environments getting excited about SLED, and putting the overhead of a license fee and support fees on top for every desktop doesn't exactly help. Novell should be doing all it can to aid people moving people off Windows, not putting extra baggage on.
Nobody said the desktop market was easy.