Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 24th Nov 2006 23:05 UTC, submitted by SEJeff
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Mark Shuttleworth is trying to entice OpenSUSE developers to join Ubuntu. "Novell's decision to go to great lengths to circumvent the patent framework clearly articulated in the GPL has sent shockwaves through the community. If you are an OpenSUSE developer who is concerned about the long term consequences of this pact, you may be interested in some of the events happening next week as part of the Ubuntu Open Week."
Thread beginning with comment 185323
To view parent comment, click here.
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
RE[3]: Why is proprietary bad?
by nicolasb on Sat 25th Nov 2006 15:32 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Why is proprietary bad?"
nicolasb
Member since:
2006-08-22

The world doesn't revolve around Linux. If you want proprietary drivers badly, you can use FreeBSD.
They have a license that does not prohibate the use of proprietary drivers. It's a "more free" license.

You know what ? FreeBSD supports most of the modern hardware, just like linux. And unlike the linux kernel, they are not against the existence of a "ndiswrapper-like". They distribute officialy a "ndiswrapper-like", called "Project Evil" that empower you by using the windows ndis drivers inside freebsd.

I don't understand why the people who doesn't like the GPL sticks with Linux. Linux is not THAT much better than FreeBSD. If you don't like the GPL, use FreeBSD, it's a fine system.

See this :
http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html

Unlike the linux drivers, the FreeBSD drivers are perfectly legal. So, if you need them and FreeBSD supports your hardware, support the FreeBSD project and not a project like Linux that doesn't fit your goals.

Edited 2006-11-25 15:37

Reply Parent Score: 5

RE[4]: Why is proprietary bad?
by miscz on Sat 25th Nov 2006 16:12 in reply to "RE[3]: Why is proprietary bad?"
miscz Member since:
2005-07-17

Your point is quite good, but FreeBSD still lacks something like UbuntuBSD. PC-BSD is on this but Ubuntu has a very good software base thanks to Debian (big repository of fairly recent version of apps) and there's still lots of software that is developed with Linux in mind and porting it to other operating systems takes time, HAL has only recently been ported to FreeBSD for example.

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[4]: Why is proprietary bad?
by twenex on Sat 25th Nov 2006 17:24 in reply to "RE[3]: Why is proprietary bad?"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

On the contrary, despite the FBSD community's protestations to the contrary, Linux's hardware support is MUCH better (despite qualms over binary blobs which the FBSD folks claim not to worry about), and their communities tend to be much more helpful and more polite.

I realise that "politeness" is orthogonal to the question for many FBSD folks, but that's exactly the problem.

In fact OpenBSD claims to support more wireless chipsets than FBSD without using binary blobs.

Reply Parent Score: 2

nicolasb Member since:
2006-08-22

Linux hardware support is really better, but not that MUCH.

And openBSD, yes, support more wireless chipsets, if you only speak of free driver. FreeBSD has less free wireless driver.

But Project Evil can run so much more wireless drivers from Windows XP it makes openBSD looks like crap.

And with this wireless exception, openbsd doesn't support as much hardware as FreeBSD does. FreeBSD can run the proprietary NVidia driver, that's more important for 99% of the desktop folks than some obscure crypto card.

Reply Parent Score: 1

molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

and their communities tend to be much more helpful and more polite.

Not true. Came from mandrake to freebsd (mandrake at that time had a very helpful community) - and I found the FreeBSD folks very very helpful. In fact, the community is one of the asset that made me stay. I'm referring to bsdforums or @freebsd-questions. They expect you to do your homework (they really put a lot of effort to write good documentation) - but even if you fail, they RTFM you very politely ;)

I also found developers very helpful - I had problems with sound (with skype) and the multimedia@freebsd folks helped me, even though I was an obvious newbie at that time. So did the usb folks.

I don't know where this myth comes from - I still use linux occasionally (and visit support forums), but I can tell you without hesitation that the FreeBSD community is one of the friendliest I ever saw. (there will be exceptions of course, but if you really look at the general trend - by visiting bsdforums.org or browsing the mailing list archaives - you'll be surprised!).

Reply Parent Score: 2

w00dst0ck Member since:
2006-02-01

The next version of FBSD will contain the free non-binary blob version of the wireless drivers...

Just to let you know.

Reply Parent Score: 1

nicolasb Member since:
2006-08-22

Of ALL the drivers supported by the NDIS simulator ? certainly, NOT.

Reply Parent Score: 1