Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 24th Nov 2006 23:05 UTC, submitted by SEJeff
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Mark Shuttleworth is trying to entice OpenSUSE developers to join Ubuntu. "Novell's decision to go to great lengths to circumvent the patent framework clearly articulated in the GPL has sent shockwaves through the community. If you are an OpenSUSE developer who is concerned about the long term consequences of this pact, you may be interested in some of the events happening next week as part of the Ubuntu Open Week."
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RE[4]: Why is proprietary bad?
by twenex on Sat 25th Nov 2006 17:24 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Why is proprietary bad?"
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On the contrary, despite the FBSD community's protestations to the contrary, Linux's hardware support is MUCH better (despite qualms over binary blobs which the FBSD folks claim not to worry about), and their communities tend to be much more helpful and more polite.

I realise that "politeness" is orthogonal to the question for many FBSD folks, but that's exactly the problem.

In fact OpenBSD claims to support more wireless chipsets than FBSD without using binary blobs.

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nicolasb Member since:

Linux hardware support is really better, but not that MUCH.

And openBSD, yes, support more wireless chipsets, if you only speak of free driver. FreeBSD has less free wireless driver.

But Project Evil can run so much more wireless drivers from Windows XP it makes openBSD looks like crap.

And with this wireless exception, openbsd doesn't support as much hardware as FreeBSD does. FreeBSD can run the proprietary NVidia driver, that's more important for 99% of the desktop folks than some obscure crypto card.

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Janizary Member since:

I think you need to step back and look at the stupid thing you posted. How many platforms does FreeBSD support? How many does OpenBSD?

You just declared that FreeBSD supports more hardware than OpenBSD - how well does it run on a Zaurus? How's it's SD support going? How's that Alpha port doing?

OpenBSD supports different hardware from FreeBSD, not less. OpenBSD's drivers run on multiple hardware platforms, a feat unachievable through Project Evil.

Running FreeBSD on a macppc machine makes it look like crap, nothing works. OpenBSD runs rather well, strange that.

FreeBSD supports more i386-based hardware components with i386-specific solutions, it has superior SMP support, it even has a larger developer base.

Wireless is not the exception to the rule for OpenBSD either, look at the hardware RAID support of OpenBSD and compare it to FreeBSD's, or the crypto support. In several areas of development OpenBSD leads FreeBSD, and vice versa - William Paul (wpaul) of FreeBSD has been quite good at getting new nic drivers, OpenBSD generally lags behind FreeBSD there because of it.

Don't go saying stupid shit that is entirely bogus, it just makes you look like a fool.

OpenBSD chooses not to try running binary gunk in it's kernel space, that's important to the security folks, and that's what matters. OpenBSD is not developed for you, it's not developed for me, it's developed for the developers - they want security, not popularity.

And regarding your Linux bit, Linux support is not better or worse, it is different. There are more drivers out there which do not always work well together, so depending on what you've got it can be much better for your needs, in other situations you'll be lucky to get a driver that supports your wireless card without requiring your entire system to be updated to a new version.

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molnarcs Member since:

and their communities tend to be much more helpful and more polite.

Not true. Came from mandrake to freebsd (mandrake at that time had a very helpful community) - and I found the FreeBSD folks very very helpful. In fact, the community is one of the asset that made me stay. I'm referring to bsdforums or @freebsd-questions. They expect you to do your homework (they really put a lot of effort to write good documentation) - but even if you fail, they RTFM you very politely ;)

I also found developers very helpful - I had problems with sound (with skype) and the multimedia@freebsd folks helped me, even though I was an obvious newbie at that time. So did the usb folks.

I don't know where this myth comes from - I still use linux occasionally (and visit support forums), but I can tell you without hesitation that the FreeBSD community is one of the friendliest I ever saw. (there will be exceptions of course, but if you really look at the general trend - by visiting or browsing the mailing list archaives - you'll be surprised!).

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