Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 24th Nov 2006 23:05 UTC, submitted by SEJeff
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Mark Shuttleworth is trying to entice OpenSUSE developers to join Ubuntu. "Novell's decision to go to great lengths to circumvent the patent framework clearly articulated in the GPL has sent shockwaves through the community. If you are an OpenSUSE developer who is concerned about the long term consequences of this pact, you may be interested in some of the events happening next week as part of the Ubuntu Open Week."
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RE[6]: Why is proprietary bad?
by Janizary on Sat 25th Nov 2006 20:36 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Why is proprietary bad?"
Janizary
Member since:
2006-03-12

I think you need to step back and look at the stupid thing you posted. How many platforms does FreeBSD support? How many does OpenBSD?

You just declared that FreeBSD supports more hardware than OpenBSD - how well does it run on a Zaurus? How's it's SD support going? How's that Alpha port doing?

OpenBSD supports different hardware from FreeBSD, not less. OpenBSD's drivers run on multiple hardware platforms, a feat unachievable through Project Evil.

Running FreeBSD on a macppc machine makes it look like crap, nothing works. OpenBSD runs rather well, strange that.

FreeBSD supports more i386-based hardware components with i386-specific solutions, it has superior SMP support, it even has a larger developer base.

Wireless is not the exception to the rule for OpenBSD either, look at the hardware RAID support of OpenBSD and compare it to FreeBSD's, or the crypto support. In several areas of development OpenBSD leads FreeBSD, and vice versa - William Paul (wpaul) of FreeBSD has been quite good at getting new nic drivers, OpenBSD generally lags behind FreeBSD there because of it.

Don't go saying stupid shit that is entirely bogus, it just makes you look like a fool.

OpenBSD chooses not to try running binary gunk in it's kernel space, that's important to the security folks, and that's what matters. OpenBSD is not developed for you, it's not developed for me, it's developed for the developers - they want security, not popularity.

And regarding your Linux bit, Linux support is not better or worse, it is different. There are more drivers out there which do not always work well together, so depending on what you've got it can be much better for your needs, in other situations you'll be lucky to get a driver that supports your wireless card without requiring your entire system to be updated to a new version.

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nicolasb Member since:
2006-08-22

I'm talking about our beloved desktop. You are making a wordsalad. For a desktop user openBSD has near zero hardware support if compared to FreeBSD and Linux.

Edited 2006-11-25 21:25

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Janizary Member since:
2006-03-12

No, you made a blanket statement, "openbsd doesn't support as much hardware as FreeBSD does," you said. And you're still talking complete nonsense.

For the desktop the only difference between FreeBSD, Ubuntu, Solaris, openSUSE and OpenBSD is what version of X they are running, and what additional software you run with said X. It's all the same otherwise, X is X.

The binary blobs used by one system is hardly worth noticing in the scope of desktop usage, if you're looking to run 3d acceleration, then sure, your FreeBSD box with almost half-assed binary drivers for some cards may make your 3d acceleration work, most of the time no, the Linux binary drivers are always more up-to-date and have improved functionality.

OpenBSD lacks the 3d acceleration provided by the binaries, that only effects video games and modelling. Last I heard not everyone needs 3d in order to check their e-mail, play vorbis .oggs, run Opera, watch movies and browse the net.

If you're going to make a complaint against OpenBSD's desktop usage, at least understand what you're talking about - OpenBSD has a hard time handling threading properly, so some programmes can bog down under heavy loads.

Lacking a binary driver that barely does what it is supposed to for a handful of cards is not a big issue for desktop usage. Regular usage of a desktop doesn't require 3d accelerators, that is the only thing that OpenBSD does not have that your run of the mill Linux distribution or FreeBSD has. That's hardly, "near zero hardware support," it's supporting the open source stuff that comes with X.

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