Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 27th Nov 2006 10:55 UTC, submitted by Jean Claude
Linux French députés' offices will be equipped with a Linux operating system and open source productivity software. There will be 1154 French parliamentary workstations running on an open source OS, with, Firefox and an open source email client.
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RE[5]: Nice...
by NotParker on Tue 28th Nov 2006 04:44 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Nice..."
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Maybe. But then based on the fact that Windows is only required on 20% of the desktops, this implies that Windows and a Windows-based software stack are possibly being used unnecessarily on the remaining 11,200 desktops.

I think the lessons are simple.

There are no open source replacement for Windows power users.

If you want to spend 50% more than Windows, you could replace Windows for purely ideological and parochial reasons (SUSE is from Munich).

If you want to spend a fortune on training you can throw away a perfectly good desktop infrastructure and replace with something that someday may work as well as the one you have now (which is Windows NT actually).

Linux - capable of sort of duplicating Windows NT.

Not a great endorsement.

In practice the migration will be an expensive disaster that will be cancelled within a year or so before 10 - 20% of the desktops are replaced.

But the costs Munich are carrying amounts effectively to a one-time investment.

That is false. Support costs for Linux are high.

Most of the Microsoft software can be used for 5 - 7 years (the same way Windows NT has lasted Munich for 7 - 9 years).

The Microsoft software licenses themselves are considerably cheaper than the 12 million lost to the Linux project.

It will be something like 21-28 years (if Linux support and upgrade costs were magically zero) to recoup that 12 million.

And Linux costs will not magically become zero.

"Will Linux ever be a major player on the desktop? Andy McCue hears from IT chiefs - who, for the most part, answered with a resounding 'no'.


Gavin Whatrup, group IT director at Creston, said: "There has to be a compelling reason to fix something that isn't broken. Whilst Windows on the desktop has its faults it is stable, useable, manageable and cash costs are low. I don't see Linux replacing Windows on the office desktop unless it can challenge those issues and offer something Windows can't."",3800003161,39163944,00.htm

One final item:

The Munich Linux project's cost has already jumped from 30 million Euros to 35 million Euros.

Another 5 million down the drain for zero improvements over Windows NT 4.0

Edited 2006-11-28 04:57

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RE[6]: Nice...
by Xaero_Vincent on Tue 28th Nov 2006 05:12 in reply to "RE[5]: Nice..."
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Linux - capable of sort of duplicating Windows NT.

What you really meant was this:

Windows Longhorn Server + PowerShell * $1000+ = capable of sort of duplicating SUSE, Fedora, or RedHat/CentOS GNU/Linux.

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v RE[7]: Nice...
by NotParker on Tue 28th Nov 2006 05:44 in reply to "RE[6]: Nice..."
RE[6]: Nice...
by Kokopelli on Tue 28th Nov 2006 05:38 in reply to "RE[5]: Nice..."
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NotParker, what do you do for a living? I still disagree with you an many points but you seem to have a inexhaustible amount of information at your disposal. I honestly do not care enough about any of this to have researched Munich enough to provide the myriad of crud you have.

You seem to think it a foregone conclusion Munich will fail. I sincerely hope you are wrong, I am not aware of any successful large scale roll outs of Linux to the desktop to date. The Munich project seems well thought out from a deployment standpoint with maintenance taken into account. Time will tell I guess.

On a side note, why does everyone use Photoshop as the example of a program that does not run on Linux? I agree Gimp is not a substitute for Photoshop, but I think there are viable alternatives on Linux for non graphics designers. Really, what percentage of your average desktop user uses Photoshop? Word, Outlook (in businesses), Excel too, but Photoshop?

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RE[7]: Nice...
by archiesteel on Tue 28th Nov 2006 05:42 in reply to "RE[6]: Nice..."
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NotParker is probably a MS astroturfer. I hope he is, for his own sake.

NotParker, MS is a virtual monopoly. Jackson's ruling might have been overturned, but that doesn't mean that MS is not a monopoly.

It's funny how on one hand you say that Linux' market share is less than 1% (for which you have no real proof outside dubious net statistics), while on the other hand you argue that MS is not a monopoly. Hint: when you have more than 90% of a market, you *are* a monopoly in the common sense of the word.

Contradicting yourself in such a blantant is another reason why you're a troll.

Edited 2006-11-28 05:44

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