Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 30th Nov 2006 22:51 UTC
Novell and Ximian Novell on Nov. 30 announced its latest NetWare upgrade operating system, the Linux-powered Novell Open Enterprise Server 2. OES, which will be based on Novell's SLES 10, is designed to be a drop-in replacement for Novell NetWare servers, and a direct competitor to Microsoft's Server 2003.
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Using words like "Devil", "Cult" and "excommunication" has no place in a rational debate over computing. One can disagree with the Microsoft/Novell deal on rational grounds.

Sure. But threats to wipe SUSE off of people computers and the personal attacks on Miguel Icaza surely look like excommunication to me.

I think the analogy fits really well, and that why it bothers some of the hard core cultists so much.

If the analogy didn't fit, it wouldn't be so annoying.

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tomcat Member since:

Agreed, the slavish devotion to OSS dogma has led many people to criticize the Microsoft-Novell deal even though they didn't know the facts. This kind of kneejerk reaction is tantamount to religious fervor, so I think that your description of their behavior as "cultish" is dead-on. That bothers a lot of people because they don't like associating themselves with cults. Cults are invariably self-deluding and self-destructive.

I don't criticize people for choosing whatever software or methodology that they choose. What I criticize are self-deluding beliefs (ie. "Novell has damaged the community" ... "Vista sucks" ... "Microsoft is evil" ... "Open source is better, has fewer bugs, cures cancer, blah, blah, blah" ... etc) that are primarily driven by cultish devotion. Cultists apparently can't see this distinction, and they simply attack anything which questions their dogma. Which is a good reason why people tend to look at them as fanatics -- and why they constantly emit those "Why isn't Linux winning on the desktop?" polemics. It's all about converting the "great unwashed masses" for them. See? The analogy fits perfectly.

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archiesteel Member since:

No, the analogy doesn't fit perfectly, because there are many among the community who have reacted strongly against the deal for *rational* reasons. Ballmer's thin-veiled threats a couple of days after the deal didn't help either.

Seriously, guys, you should stop trying to demonize those whom you disagree with. That's called an ad hominem attack, and it's not an acceptable debate technique. Not to mention that your own obsessive focus on this, couple with constant exaggeration and ridicule (please give me *one* example of a FOSS advocate claiming that Open Source cures cancer) makes you two look much more like fanatics than those you are decrying.

Claiming that Open Source is better or has fewer bugs is not necessarily self-deluding. One could say that it's *debatable*, i.e. than the merits of such statements can be debated using *rational* arguments, not insults and strawman arguments.

Until you two actually crawl out of the gutter and start making *rational* arguments instead of attacking and demonizing those who disagree with you, you'll continue to be treated as trolls and actually do *more* damage than good to the positions you defend.

Don't you want to convince people that you're right? Because right now, that's not what you're doing at all. People sitting on the fence about this issue are much more likely to be driven away by your immature attacks and strawman arguments than they are agreeing with you. Think about it.

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archiesteel Member since:

If the analogy didn't fit, it wouldn't be so annoying.

Therefore, if you don't like being called a troll, that's because it's true?

I hope you realize that the statement you made is not logically sound... :-)

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