Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 3rd Dec 2006 23:35 UTC
Windows After my previous short first impressions 'review' of Windows Vista Build 6000, the final build, I promised you a full review which would look a bit deeper into the system, focussing on less obvious matters than appearance alone. Since there are so many new features in Windows Vista, it is very easy to lose track of them. Hence, this review will follow (where possible) a much linked-to page on Wikipedia: Features new to Windows Vista.
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RE: Overrated OS
by CPUGuy on Mon 4th Dec 2006 00:59 UTC in reply to "Overrated OS"
CPUGuy
Member since:
2005-07-06

I guarentee you it is the hardware (even if it is the drivers that are causing it).

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RE[2]: Overrated OS
by computrius on Mon 4th Dec 2006 01:08 in reply to "RE: Overrated OS"
computrius Member since:
2006-03-26

no other os crashes at all but vista. Its not the hardware. (and drivers are software too, so if its the drivers, no.. its not the hardware)

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RE[3]: Overrated OS
by jrronimo on Mon 4th Dec 2006 01:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Overrated OS"
jrronimo Member since:
2006-02-28

The only way I got Vista to BSoD was to install an older version of Symantec Anti-Virus that MS, Symantec and Vista all said would not be compatible and would not work.

What's the event log say? Is it a driver?

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RE[2]: Overrated OS
by porcel on Mon 4th Dec 2006 03:24 in reply to "RE: Overrated OS"
porcel Member since:
2006-01-28

Why should bad drivers bring down an entire OS? And wasn't this one of the much-touted improvements of Vista, the fact that the entired driver stack had been re-written from graphic to sound card drivers?

I honestly find it amusing the kinds of excuses some of you can come up for the lack of quality assurance and proper design principles in Microsoft products.

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RE[3]: Overrated OS
by steve23063 on Mon 4th Dec 2006 03:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Overrated OS"
steve23063 Member since:
2006-02-11

Just give the hardware vendors some time to rewrite their drivers. I'm sure every piece of hardware will get tremendous support (just as they do now with windows xp) when the OS is actually released to consumers in January '07

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RE[3]: Overrated OS
by WorknMan on Mon 4th Dec 2006 03:36 in reply to "RE[2]: Overrated OS"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Why should bad drivers bring down an entire OS? And wasn't this one of the much-touted improvements of Vista, the fact that the entired driver stack had been re-written from graphic to sound card drivers?

So maybe it's not a graphic or sound card driver? Honestly, I don't know of any OS that can stand up to shitty drivers. Sure, the entire OS might not go down in all cases, but generally, it has some sort of unpleasent side effects. For example, if the entire screen goes blank and I have to kill the desktop envrioment, that's not a whole lot better than an OS crash, especially when it takes longer to boot back into the DE than it does to reboot the Windows OS.

And for those who are complaining about the price, the problem isn't that it's too expensive - the problem is you can't afford it ;)

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RE[2]: Overrated OS
by flywheel on Mon 4th Dec 2006 09:33 in reply to "RE: Overrated OS"
flywheel Member since:
2005-12-28

One of the main points with a client-server based OS is that no device driver should be able to pull down the OS.

It is a very typical reaction to blame everything on anything but Windows.

If it is an out-of-the-box driver as I suspect, then it also is certified. Should a certified driver behave this way ?

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RE[2]: Overrated OS
by gonzalo on Mon 4th Dec 2006 10:20 in reply to "RE: Overrated OS"
gonzalo Member since:
2005-07-06

You guarantee it? Only from the rather vague description "BSOD on every boot" you guarantee it's the hardware?

Let me just say... wao.

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RE[3]: Overrated OS
by stestagg on Mon 4th Dec 2006 16:59 in reply to "RE[2]: Overrated OS"
stestagg Member since:
2006-06-03

It's a fairly safe bet (given that he's including drivers in this), but just not a very useful point.

Let's look at it: 90% Windows Vista Installs don't BSOD on boot. Lots of virtual-memory/SFC etc. protection is built in to prevent rogue software from screwing up the install. so it's likely to be one of:
1) faulty ram (hardware)
2) Dodgy driver (driver)
3) File Corruption (hdd = hardware)
4) Dodgy bios (hardware)
5) Hardware with bad Id (hardware)
6) Not enough ram and no pagefile (harware - kinda)

It's not very likely to be a core vista problem directly. It could be attributed to fault-intolerance though I guess.

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