Linked by Adam S on Sun 3rd Dec 2006 23:20 UTC
SuSE, openSUSE Yesterday morning on the openSUSE-announce list, Andreas Jaeger declared openSUSE beta5 the gold master for openSUSE 10.2. In his words "CD production is starting now and I hope to see some shiny green openSUSE 10.2 boxes on the shelves before Christmas."
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RE: hmm
by Lunitik on Mon 4th Dec 2006 02:29 UTC in reply to "hmm"
Lunitik
Member since:
2005-08-07

Your loss... its a very nice release...

Even Stallman says the deal violates NOTHING, and Novell is working with Microsoft to rectify the only problem with the deal: limiting coverage to SUSE users...

So long as that is sorted out before GPLv3 is released, nothing bad will come of this... at least for 5 years, but in all honesty, I don't think its valid to sue end users anyways.

Following all the fud instead of making your own decision is not intelligent.

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RE[2]: hmm
by linux-it on Mon 4th Dec 2006 07:53 in reply to "RE: hmm"
linux-it Member since:
2006-07-13

the biggest loss here is that indeed people follow the FUD and the gut feelings instead of trying to think reasonable.

The patent deal is worthless; Novell gets a lot of money, MS wants better interoperability and what does the linux community do?

o) trying to kill Novell (and how happy MS will be...)
o) FSF tries to make it even worse by trying to
stop further interoperability.

and yes, Ballmer is a nut. Het's an idiot, we know. be intelligent and try to understand what happens here, indeed decide yourselve....

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RE[3]: hmm
by walterbyrd on Mon 4th Dec 2006 14:52 in reply to "RE[2]: hmm"
walterbyrd Member since:
2005-12-31

>>MS wants better interoperability and what does the linux community do? <<

This deal has nothing to do with msft wanting better interroperability. If msft wanted that, msft could open their API (as msft has been ordered to do in Europe) to Samba, etc.

The linux community has always been 100% open to better interoperability, and msft has always fought it tooth and nail. If msft wants to work better with linux, all msft has to do is to do that.

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RE[2]: hmm
by Xaero_Vincent on Mon 4th Dec 2006 16:32 in reply to "RE: hmm"
Xaero_Vincent Member since:
2006-08-18

They are rectifing the deal so that all openSUSE developers are protected, not just the unpayed ones.

I don't believe there are any talks to cover everyone who uses GPL software.

Perhaps Novell will work out a deal with Microsoft by March, so they could be GPLv3 compliant and continue to improve their distributions with everyones help.

Even then, I'm beginning to dislike the qaulity and decisions made in openSUSE releases. The ZMD backend used in 10.1's YaST package manager back-end, was a complete disaster. The use of a beta X-server in a final release is totally unacceptable in my mind, considering the importance of a stable X-server.

It's getting to the point were I'd like to see YaST totally forked to some other distribution with much higher principles of qaulity and stablilty. Plus one with a much larger selection of packages.

YaST (without package management modules) and SaX are all that I care about in SUSE. If I could have these in a distribution with higher principles, I would be thrilled.

Edited 2006-12-04 16:34

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