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Novell and Ximian The first fruit of the recently announced Novell/Microsoft interoperability agreement arrived on Dec. 4, with Novell's announcement that its version of the OpenOffice productivity suite will now support the Microsoft Office Open XML format. The release candidate of Novell's modified version of OpenOffice.org 2.02 is now available for Windows for free download by registered Novell users.
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ODF is still encumbered by Sun's patents
by NotParker on Tue 5th Dec 2006 04:00 UTC
NotParker
Member since:
2006-06-01

ODF is still encumbered by Sun's patents. I really wouldn't trust Sun not to sue.

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hal2k1 Member since:
2005-11-11

//ODF is still encumbered by Sun's patents. I really wouldn't trust Sun not to sue.//

Sun have provided an inronclad, perpetual promise not to sue over ODF. All of the dependencies of ODF are similarly open and unencumbered. Anyone may implement. All the way down.

This is most definitely not the case for OpenXML, as it depends on (for example) ActiveX, wmv, wma, Visual basic, microsoft exchange protocols and many other patented and proprietary-to-Microsoft technologies.

If you don't trust Sun not to sue despite their promise, then that is you perogative. However, you can be absolutely certain that Microsoft would sue if anyone other than Microsoft tried to implement any of those proprietary-to-Microsoft technologies named above.

With Sun, you have a promise not to sue.

With Microsoft, you have a dead certainty they will sue.

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n4cer Member since:
2005-07-06

Sun have provided an inronclad, perpetual promise not to sue over ODF. All of the dependencies of ODF are similarly open and unencumbered. Anyone may implement. All the way down.
This is most definitely not the case for OpenXML, as it depends on (for example) ActiveX, wmv, wma, Visual basic, microsoft exchange protocols and many other patented and proprietary-to-Microsoft technologies.


More FUD. The format is not dependent on any of those technologies. The use of these technologies is determined by the user, and they don't prevent rendering of the format while ignoring what is unsupported.

With Sun, you have a promise not to sue.
With Microsoft, you have a dead certainty they will sue.


Except for the existance of two documents (see previous postings about CNS and OSP) stating they will not sue you for implementing the format (in part or in full). Please stick to the facts.

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b3timmons Member since:
2006-08-26

"ODF is still encumbered by Sun's patents. I really wouldn't trust Sun not to sue."

How can you, in turn, be trusted to acknowledge facts such as the following about the Massachusetts general counsel Hamel's confidence in Sun?

"In a message dated July 22, 2005, Sun's Jonathan Nimer notified the state that the company was "just about finished with preparing a statement about not asserting our patents, subject to reciprocity, concerning the OpenOffice.org XML" file format specification. State records show Nimer sent the statement on Aug. 1. Eight days later, Hamel informed various IT division colleagues via e-mail that Sun's covenant "fully" satisfied any legal concerns she had."

(from Computerworld article in http://technocrat.net/d/2006/12/4/11731)

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alcibiades Member since:
2005-10-12

It would be helpful if you would say exactly which of Sun's patents are at issue, and exactly what rights are affected by the 'encumbering'. 'Encumberment' isn't a legally clear term.

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