Linked by Phoenixfire159 on Wed 6th Dec 2006 02:39 UTC
Linux The title of the article seems familiar to you? Naturally it would, when you read something like this. But I do state the corresponding sentence isn't even grammatically correct, thereby making it difficult for me to parody. I am sure that Linux is not close to extinction but is rather gaining momentum or at least holding its ground.
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RE: Tale - Final
by Xaero_Vincent on Wed 6th Dec 2006 07:42 UTC in reply to "Tale - Final"
Xaero_Vincent
Member since:
2006-08-18

CrazyDude0,

The industry copies each others innovations very often. Microsoft copied Linux's Sudo in UAC, Mac OS X widgets; Microsoft even used some of FreeBSD's code in Vista's new TCP/IP stack.

So...

Linux will do the same but much faster. I figure Linux will rival Vista (in terms of kernel security features, performance improvements, etc.) within several months. Desktop environments will also be on a level playing field when KDE 4.0+ and Gnome 2.20+ are shipped.

GNU/Linux is already far more advanced than Windows and Mac OS X when it comes to GPU-utilizing eye-candy GUIs. This trend will only continue with upcoming releases of Gnome and KDE.

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RE[2]: Tale - Final
by CrazyDude0 on Wed 6th Dec 2006 08:05 in reply to "RE: Tale - Final"
CrazyDude0 Member since:
2005-07-10

Xaero_Vincent: This is what you believe that Linux will be on par with Vista. It is ok as it is ok to live in fantasy world. Linux is no where close to Vista in GPU utilization, can you give some examples or it is just fantasy again?

BTW the claim for FreeBSD in Vista is pretty lame and fake. Vista has a brand new TCP/IP stack with full IPv6 support not something you will find in BSD or Linux.

Neither will you find cool stuff like TCP offload engine, RSS or other advanced hardware technology support in BSD or Linux.

You are mixing sudo with UAC when they are not same. Tell me how you can run a process in Linux under a less privileged user automatically if you are running as admin?

Sudo actually allows you to run as admin when you are running as normal user. Windows 2000 had that too in RunAs so no it is not new and *nix had similar concept with s bit as well.

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RE[3]: Tale - Final
by Soulbender on Wed 6th Dec 2006 08:20 in reply to "RE[2]: Tale - Final"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"Vista has a brand new TCP/IP stack with full IPv6 support not something you will find in BSD or Linux."

This is a pretty lame and fake claim too. *BSD (not sure about Linux) has had full IPv6 support in their TCP/IP stacks for quite some time.

"neither will you find cool stuff like TCP offload engine"

More fake and inaccurate claims. Many *BSD (dunno about Linux) drivers supports TCP offloading when the NIC hardware supports it. This has been available for a long time.


"RSS"
Uh, do you know what RSS is? It's an XMl format and has nothing to do with hardware. Unless you mean some other RSS that I've never heard of.

"Tell me how you can run a process in Linux under a less privileged user automatically if you are running as admin?"

For one noone runs under admin/root in Linux by default and even if they did it would be simple to make the Firefox/Konqueror/Whatever shortcut do a "sudo -u <username>".

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RE[3]: Tale - Final
by diego on Thu 7th Dec 2006 19:41 in reply to "RE[2]: Tale - Final"
diego Member since:
2006-08-15

You just seem like a troll, Linux had IPv6 in the TCP/IP stack years ago. AIGLX and the X Window System model is far more superior than anything in windows, is not even comparable. They are both different things, Qt 4.3 is by far one of the best widgets and KDE 4 with Plasma, Phonon and D-BUS will rock our desktops. D-BUS, HAL, asynchronous booting are changing a lot in the desktop part, we already have a Composite/GL stack with AIGLX, we have nice toolkits like Qt 4.3 and GTK+/Cairo/Glitz, Aaron Seigo is a skilled programmer and artist and I'm sure he will do Plasma just great, it will even support Dashboard Widgets when it ship, just wait and see what I'm talking about and stop your troll circus.

MS is copying a lot from Linux and UNIX in general, since Windows NT come out.

Edited 2006-12-07 19:42

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RE[3]: Tale - Final
by diego on Thu 7th Dec 2006 19:44 in reply to "RE[2]: Tale - Final"
diego Member since:
2006-08-15

And we have root, not admin.

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RE[2]: Tale - Final
by Ookaze on Wed 6th Dec 2006 09:55 in reply to "RE: Tale - Final"
Ookaze Member since:
2005-11-14

I figure Linux will rival Vista (in terms of kernel security features, performance improvements, etc.) within several months

Vista is playing catchup in the area you cited and hasn't caught up at all, so what you say is wrong : Linux already outdo Vista in most area.
Didn't you notice that for some years, Windows has no advantage over Linux except familiarity, monopoly and inertia ?
There's years since MS stopped trying to use technical ways of saying Windows is better.

Desktop environments will also be on a level playing field when KDE 4.0+ and Gnome 2.20+ are shipped

I don't think so, they are already better, KDE 4 and Gnome 2.20 will only make them way ahead.
For example, I hear now Vista can change the desktop language after reloading the session, a feature that Gnome (and KDE) had in 2001 !

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RE[2]: Tale - Final
by Ford Prefect on Wed 6th Dec 2006 13:27 in reply to "RE: Tale - Final"
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2006-01-16

I'm sorry, but your last sentence is wrong.

Windows Vista (which is a released product now) has far better technologies using the GPU for 2D rendering. For example, it can send glyphs as vertex data to the GPU and let it be rastered there. XGL can also accelerate text rendering on the GPU, but it relies on having the glyph available as pixmap first...


The open source community has the advantage of fast "release" cycles. So they can enhance their XLG/AIGLX code within some months and ship it. On the other side, there is lack of focus. So the X development was stuck for years.

So basically, Linux had compositing with GL first, but not stable and grown up. Now after Vista is out, XGL/AIGLX/compiz are clearly behind in terms of technology. But they have the opportunity to catch up very fast.


I don't use any Windows version, but if you don't have a look at it once in a while, you can indeed miss some (not many ;) ) innovations...

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RE[3]: Tale - Final
by cyclops on Wed 6th Dec 2006 14:09 in reply to "RE[2]: Tale - Final"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

"On the other side, there is lack of focus. So the X development was stuck for years."

I would be tempted to argue that this statement is a little out of date. Lots of exciting things are happening with X right now, and its a lot to do with a fork to X-org and even more to do to moving down the modular path.

I'd be tempted to say that freedesktops standards are getting a rid of a lot of the annoyances that have plagued linux for years.

Although I am interested how is "XGL/AIGLX/compiz are clearly behind in terms of technology" is that even true?

@gonzo Linux is not a clone of Xenix

Edited 2006-12-06 14:28

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