Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 7th Dec 2006 12:05 UTC, submitted by sogabe
BeOS & Derivatives The Haiku network stack currently under heavy development is reportedly working with the Vision IRC client. Haiku developer Axel Dörfler reports that the network stack can now successfully run the Vision IRC client (screenshot on the Haiku website). At this stage, the network still needs to be configured manually, but this can be easily done by editing a couple of files as explained here. Haiku can use BeOS network drivers, so if your NIC is not supported, you can try finding a driver on BeBits.com.
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spanglywires
Member since:
2006-10-23

I remember talking with David Reid almost 4 years ago and he had an almost working netserver/BONE replacement - not sure why it took until now to finish...

Sad thing is, many of the good developers other than Axel left due to issues with the way things were run. If we (the then BeOS community) had managed some kind of encouragement to keep the others around then I think we'd have seen Haiku r2 by now.

Not belittling Axel's abilities - he's a prolific coder - but theres only so much one person can do on their own or for their own sanity. Perhaps BGA really does keep him in the basement!

I miss BeOS, I miss the community, but its all but gone now. Haiku is already years too late.

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umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

I remember talking with David Reid almost 4 years ago and he had an almost working netserver/BONE replacement - not sure why it took until now to finish...

So there's no confusion - the networking stack DID work in a usable way 6 months ago - and even that was already a second attempt at a netstack.

I believe the current rendition is pretty much the 3rd serious netstack attempt for Haiku... and basically a full rewrite from scratch from the ground up (basically no ported code) - where the previous netstack was a "messy" port from some flavor of BSD (I had heard NetBSD mostly - but I wouldn't know for sure).

There are screenshots of Haiku running Net+ (BeOS browser), Firefox, Vision (IRC client), etc. from 6 months ago:

http://flickr.com/photos/umccullough/tags/haikuos/

So, a 6-month rewrite of the netstack from scratch isn't bad eh?

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Valhalla Member since:
2006-01-24

spanglywires wrote:
-"Sad thing is, many of the good developers other than Axel left due to issues with the way things were run."

don't know about any of that. however, it's not like Axel is the only 'good' developer in the Haiku project, him being extraordinary doesn't make the others bad.


spanglywires wrote:
-"Haiku is already years too late."

too late for whom? you?

if Haiku ends up only being used by the Haiku development team it would still be time well spent for them, it's not like they were in it for the money. and I also doubt that being an OS developer gets you the hot chicks (could be wrong here though).

if their efforts manages to breathe much needed life into the Beos user base and development scene, then so much the better. either way, they can count me in.

here is my extremely optimistic view of Haiku's future ;D

while(Windows != FOSS && Linux != DESKTOP_OS)
{
fHaikuUserBase++;
}

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mphipps Member since:
2006-08-21

David's netstack was not at all thread safe and had some major issues. The devs (Axel, Oliver, Philippe, Waldemar) looked at it and decided that it would be easier to start from scratch.

As for people leaving because of the way things are run, that is just not true. David would be the only instance that I can place. Many people had real life issues, many were hired away to work on Zeta (and I don't blame them!), but if there are numbers of people who had/have an issue with the way things are run, they haven't told me about it.

If you watch our checkins, we have a lot of people checking in. Jerome, Axel, Ingo, Stippi, Oliver within the last week (from memory, so if I forgot someone, please forgive). Marcus, Philippe, DarkWyrm, Ithamar are still around and pitch in when they have time.

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ormandj Member since:
2005-10-09

While attempting to be non-inflammatory as much as possible, I had the opportunity to speak with David online a few times, and while a very smart (and I'm told nice) guy, he was very.. how to say.. volatile. I'm sure there were outside circumstances involved, but his departure waaay back when didn't really surprise me.

Other than him, I am not aware of any other devs who dug out over "issues" with how things were run. Mr. Phipps is right on target with his recollection of where people went/what happened.

When Haiku gets to the point people can actually start "using" it (R1) - I suspect more developers will sign on. Right now they probably stick with OSs they can run on their home PCs natively, and not only do OS development but browse the net, handle email/calendaring/etc. When it gets to that stage, it'll be a lot easier to convince people to give it a go.

One thing I'd like to see is with the release of Java under some open-source licensing, some integration. It'd be really nice as a developer to be able to write software than ran on Haiku as well as Linux/BSD/OSX/Windows. Java has a lot of negative press in speed, but I imagine a *good* Haiku port of J2SE 6 would be pretty impressive, with the underlying multi-threadedness of Haiku. That alone might be enough to get some people to switch over. ;)

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