Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 12th Dec 2006 18:35 UTC, submitted by Patrik Buckau
Features, Office "OpenOffice.org 2.1 is recommend for all users, as it represents a significant improvement over all previous versions. Among other things: multiple monitor support for Impress; improved Calc HTML export; enhanced Access support for Base; even more languages; automatic notification of updates."
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As RPMs
by situation on Tue 12th Dec 2006 21:12 UTC
situation
Member since:
2006-01-10

Everytime an OO.org release happens, I keep hoping they will return to their generic Linux installer the <1.0 versions had. Instead I unpack the download and oh boy, a whole slew of rpms! Converting them isn't much fun, nor is waiting for a third party to repackage them. They are such a well known Linux product, why can't they at _least_ distribute different package variations, or go back to that lovely generic installer?!

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RE: As RPMs
by WorknMan on Tue 12th Dec 2006 21:55 in reply to "As RPMs"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Instead I unpack the download and oh boy, a whole slew of rpms! Converting them isn't much fun, nor is waiting for a third party to repackage them. They are such a well known Linux product, why can't they at _least_ distribute different package variations, or go back to that lovely generic installer?!

Ya know, it seems that anytime anyone mentions what a headache it can be installing apps in Linux, people always act shocked at the very idea, and insist that such issue are so 1998. But then I read things like this, and it makes me wonder.

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RE[2]: As RPMs
by smitty on Tue 12th Dec 2006 22:10 in reply to "RE: As RPMs"
smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

If you just wait a week or two for your distro to package it for you, then everything is extremely pain-free. OTOH, if you like living on the edge and downloading software right off the internet then it can be quite interesting, sometimes.

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RE: As RPMs
by cyclops on Tue 12th Dec 2006 21:57 in reply to "As RPMs"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

"Everytime an OO.org release happens, I keep hoping they will return to their generic Linux installer the <1.0 versions had. Instead I unpack the download and oh boy, a whole slew of rpms! Converting them isn't much fun, nor is waiting for a third party to repackage them. They are such a well known Linux product, why can't they at _least_ distribute different package variations, or go back to that lovely generic installer?!"

Given the choice of updating each of my applications separately, or all at once. I would choose the latter. If *your* third party packager is not updating fast enough I suggest you should change distributions.

BTW the third-party often don't just repackage, but often patch, bugfix, verify before deploying. It should add an extra sense of security. This is definitely worth waiting days for.

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RE[2]: As RPMs
by snozzberry on Tue 12th Dec 2006 22:01 in reply to "RE: As RPMs"
snozzberry Member since:
2005-11-14

"BTW the third-party often don't just repackage, but often patch, bugfix, verify before deploying. It should add an extra sense of security. This is definitely worth waiting days for."

The third-parties also use switches in their compiles which result in OOo crashing every time I try to digitally sign a document. Fedora and Ubuntu users are suffering from this because of a deprecated switch, and the advice I got was to uninstall Ubuntu's OOo and install the vanilla.

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RE: As RPMs
by hal2k1 on Tue 12th Dec 2006 22:01 in reply to "As RPMs"
hal2k1 Member since:
2005-11-11

//Everytime an OO.org release happens, I keep hoping they will return to their generic Linux installer the <1.0 versions had. Instead I unpack the download and oh boy, a whole slew of rpms! //

My suggestion would be for you to install Smart Package manager. That should be available from your distribution's own repository.

Once you have Smart, then just download the OO.org RPMs into a directory, and then add a channel to Smart Package Manager pointing to that directory.

Smart will then happily install the RPMs for you, whatever your Linux distribution is.

Smart Package Manager is (more or less) the equivalent of a generic installer for Linux packages.

http://labix.org/smart
"The Smart Package Manager project has the ambitious objective of creating smart and portable algorithms for solving adequately the problem of managing software upgrading and installation. This tool works in all major distributions, and will bring notable advantages over native tools currently in use (APT, APT-RPM, YUM, URPMI, etc).

...

Channels are the way Smart becomes aware about external repositories of information. Many different channel types are supported, depending on the backend and kind of information desired:

APT-DEB Repository
APT-RPM Repository
DPKG Installed Packages
Mirror Information
Red Carpet Channel
RPM Directory
RPM Header List
RPM MetaData (YUM)
RPM Installed Packages
Slackware Repository
Slackware Installed Packages
URPMI Repository"


Enjoy!

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RE[2]: As RPMs
by John Nilsson on Wed 13th Dec 2006 02:41 in reply to "RE: As RPMs"
John Nilsson Member since:
2005-07-06

Does Smart's wide support for packaging systems mean I can install .rpm packages on my Debian system? Or .deb packages on my RPM-based system?

Short answer: no.

Long answer: no, unless you have the non-native package system installed in the same machine. Even then, that doesn't mean it would be a good idea.

Smart is not meant as an universal wrapper around different package formats. It does support RPM, DEB and Slackware packages on a single system, but won't permit relationships among different package managers. While cross-packaging system dependencies could be enabled easily, the packaging policies simply do not exist today.

This is not at all different from what you can already do. In fact, Debian has been shipping the RPM package manager for a few years now. "Possible" does not equal "good idea", and everybody should stick to their native package format.

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RE: As RPMs
by elsewhere on Tue 12th Dec 2006 22:27 in reply to "As RPMs"
elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

Everytime an OO.org release happens, I keep hoping they will return to their generic Linux installer the <1.0 versions had. Instead I unpack the download and oh boy, a whole slew of rpms! Converting them isn't much fun, nor is waiting for a third party to repackage them. They are such a well known Linux product, why can't they at _least_ distribute different package variations, or go back to that lovely generic installer?!

For better or worse, rpm is the LSB standard format for distributing packages. It's up to the distros to provide tools for installing rpm packages if they're going to be LSB compliant, which most aim for to one extent or another. And there's always alien for converting formats.

Besides, I think the ultimate plan is that OOo will start using delta rpms for patches and updates, which offers a significant advantage over having to download 125MB + every time there's a fix or a patch.

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RE[2]: As RPMs
by hal2k1 on Tue 12th Dec 2006 23:28 in reply to "RE: As RPMs"
hal2k1 Member since:
2005-11-11

//And there's always alien for converting formats.//

Smart is better than alien.

Smart will do the conversion and the install for you in the one step.

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RE: As RPMs
by joeljkp on Wed 13th Dec 2006 02:38 in reply to "As RPMs"
joeljkp Member since:
2005-07-07

Well, if you're running Debian or Ubuntu, all you should need to do is run 'alien -i openoffice.org-*.rpm' instead of 'rpm -i openoffice.org-*.rpm'. What's so hard about that?

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RE[2]: As RPMs
by hal2k1 on Wed 13th Dec 2006 03:04 in reply to "RE: As RPMs"
hal2k1 Member since:
2005-11-11

//Well, if you're running Debian or Ubuntu, all you should need to do is run 'alien -i openoffice.org-*.rpm' instead of 'rpm -i openoffice.org-*.rpm'. What's so hard about that?//

(1) the instructions apply only to Debian or Ubuntu, they do not apply to Fedora, SuSe, Mandriva or Slackware, and
(2) all that alien does is convert the *.rpm packages to *.deb. Your command example still hasn't got those packages installed yet.

The command 'smart install openoffice.org-*.rpm' answers both of those issues.

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