Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 13th Dec 2006 22:28 UTC, submitted by an Anonymous Reader
KDE "On Friday, Lars Knoll and George Staikos from the KHTML project visited Yahoo! to give a talk on the history of KHTML and Konqueror and the connection between those projects and Apple's open-source WebKit." Here is a short summary.
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It'd be really nice if...
by evilmegaman on Wed 13th Dec 2006 23:32 UTC
evilmegaman
Member since:
2005-09-20

It'd be really nice if more big sites would become browser independent. The browser string thing REALLY bugs me. Trying to visit sites in opera or Konqueror can be a horrible task sometimes.

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RE: It'd be really nice if...
by jessta on Wed 13th Dec 2006 23:55 in reply to "It'd be really nice if..."
jessta Member since:
2005-08-17

I find it amazing that so many sites aren't browser independent.
It actually takes effort to make a site dependent on a particular set of browsers. It's rather easy to make one that works in all of them.

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PowerMacX Member since:
2005-11-06

"It actually takes effort to make a site dependent on a particular set of browsers. It's rather easy to make one that works in all of them."

You are not a web developer, are you? Usually it goes like this: "Good, it works on Firefox/Opera/Safari but... not on IE. OK, lets make it work. Oops, now it only works right on IE." Back and forth a few times until it works in both camps or ran out of time (meaning: "leave the last version that IE rendered OK, since that's what most of our users will have").

Firefox users are increasing, IE 7 is a bit more standards complaint, and the "forced update" will help, but there are still lots of people with broken, outdated browsers out there.

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RE[2]: It'd be really nice if...
by FishB8 on Thu 14th Dec 2006 02:57 in reply to "RE: It'd be really nice if..."
FishB8 Member since:
2006-01-16

It actually takes effort to make a site dependent on a particular set of browsers. It's rather easy to make one that works in all of them.

Uh.... no. I wish that were the case.

With IE7, CSS is a bit less of a mess and png supports transparency, but that's about it.

IE's DOM is still awful. Trying to get AJAX to work on all browsers as well as IE is a nightmare. What's even worse is that IE still doesn't support XML namespaces, so all the cool XML based stuff like XHTML, XForms, XUL, XBL, SVG and many others can't be used.

IE still parties like it's 1999.

Edited 2006-12-14 03:00

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RE: It'd be really nice if...
by elsewhere on Thu 14th Dec 2006 02:36 in reply to "It'd be really nice if..."
elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

It'd be really nice if more big sites would become browser independent. The browser string thing REALLY bugs me. Trying to visit sites in opera or Konqueror can be a horrible task sometimes.

It's not as bad as it used to be.

Opera's pretty good though I used to get the odd site where some element was layed out right in the middle of the page or something silly like that. The only two sites I couldn't use properly were my online banking site and my hardware firewall web gui (?).

I started using Konq once I moved to 86_x64, and am actually impressed with how well it works now, less issues than with Opera. Came across a few that were strange, but I switched the useragent to Safari and everything mostly works. Even my online banking, which was formerly the sole domain of IE and sometimes Firefox.

Still, the situation is a bit ridiculous. I mean, really, I have to have my built-in linux browser emulate the built-in OSX browser in order to avoid using the built-in Windows browser.

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