Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 15th Dec 2006 21:12 UTC
GNU, GPL, Open Source "The FSF today launched a campaign with a twofold mission of exposing the harms inflicted on computer users by the new Microsoft Windows Vista and promoting free software alternatives that respect users' security and privacy rights. "Vista is an upsell masquerading as an upgrade. It is an overall regression when you look at the most important aspect of owning and using a computer: your control over what it does. Obviously MS Windows is already proprietary and very restrictive, and well worth rejecting. But the new 'features' in Vista are a Trojan Horse to smuggle in even more restrictions. We'll be focusing attention on detailing how they work, how to resist them, and why people should care", said FSF program administrator John Sullivan."
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by Hiev on Fri 15th Dec 2006 22:34 UTC
Hiev
Member since:
2005-09-27

And Im really tired to hear that I should use Free software because MS is evel, at least once I'd like to hear that I should use Free software because it has better quality and in my case the alternatives I've used in Linux to the software I use in Windows is just pathetic.

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by twenex on Fri 15th Dec 2006 22:45 in reply to "..."
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

in my case the alternatives I've used in Linux to the software I use in Windows is just pathetic.

Then why not tell it to someone who can do something about it, instead of trolling about it on an OS forum?

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by Hiev on Fri 15th Dec 2006 22:49 in reply to "RE: ..."
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

Am I trolling?

Im just talking about my expericence here, so if the FSF want me to use Free software at least give me good options and if you thing calling the people expressing their opinion "troll" will help to the FSF cause then you are totally wrong.

In my opinion the people like you do more damage to the FSF than MS.

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by Rayz on Sat 16th Dec 2006 07:16 in reply to "RE: ..."
Rayz Member since:
2006-06-24

Then why not tell it to someone who can do something about it, instead of trolling about it on an OS forum?

Well, if the FOSS community spent half as much energy on actually getting their apps as functional and as polished as most commercial Windows applications, as they do on attacking Microsoft, then you you wouldn’t need to launch desperate attention-seeking campaigns like this one.

Microsoft is so hamstrung by legal troubles of its own making, FOSS has a clear path to compete and make real inroads on the desktop. But what do you do? The same old lame marketing tactics that any decent Business Studies course will tell you, are doomed to failure.

You spend all your energy focussing on why folks shouldn’t use Windows, instead of telling them why they should be using free software. That kind of negative campaigning will never work.

You scream “but Windows crashes all the time!” and folk just say “Mmm .. XP has been running rock solid for me. I wonder what else they’re lying about?”

You scream “but there are billions of viruses for Windows!” and folk say “MMMmmm ... well there are millions of lethal viruses for humans, but like my XP box, I don’t have any.”

“You scream Microsoft is evil!” and folk say “Will you please shut up, I’m trying to play Halo”.

But my favourite tactic is the desperate back pedal.

For years, the anti-MS crowd has bleated on that Windows XP is bloated, bug-infested, insecure crash-happy mess. And now along comes Vista. With the prospect of the security argument going out the window (‘scuse me), they find they have nothing much left to throw, so what’s the best they can manage?

Stick with XP ... it’s good enough.

That really is extraordinarily lame. But hardly surprising since negative campaigning is all that seems to get used by the Anti-MS crowd these days. What’s wrong? Doesn’t free software have any merits worth talking about? Of course it does! So stop talking about MS and start talking about free software!

When I think of the number of times that I’ve tried to get a free package going with a client, only to have some smirking salesman point to a forum full of FOSS lunatics screaming about tearing down the walls of something or other ....

Y’know when Apple started winning?
Ipod? No.
Switch to Intel? No.

I’ll tell you. Apple started winning when Steve Jobs woke up and realised that Microsoft doesn’t have to lose, for Apple to win.

The iPods are a hit because they support Windows
Macs are winning because folk can run Windows on them if they want to.

If you see business as an battlefield with no flexibilty or compromise, then you will lose. It really is that simple.

Likewise, if you brand anyone who disagrees with you as a troll or a zealot, then that says to me that your platform cannot stand up to criticism; in which case, I’ll steer clear of it, because software that cannot be criticised, won’t improve fast enough for me.

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by dylansmrjones on Fri 15th Dec 2006 22:56 in reply to "..."
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Well, I wonder what kind of software you used. Some proprietary applications do not yet have an open source counterpart, but most applications for BSD and Linux is clearly ahead of proprietary applications. There are some specialized areas that are yet to be supported.

But anything useful for Average Joe has applications every bit as good as proprietary applications or even better. I still lack something as good as AutoCAD but Average Joe doesn't use applications more complex than MineSweeper.

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by Hiev on Fri 15th Dec 2006 23:02 in reply to "RE: ..."
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

But anything useful for Average Joe has applications every bit as good as proprietary applications or even better.


The problen is that joe user uses youtube and many other basic applications that makes its use in Linux or BSB useless.

I don't think all the basic joe user needs are covered for Free Software yet but hey, that's just my opinion.

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by andrewg on Fri 15th Dec 2006 23:01 in reply to "..."
andrewg Member since:
2005-07-06

I think from the FS point of view its more like MS is selling you coffee which smells delicious and fresh but is has some poison in it you don't know about. It makes more sense to tell you there is poison in the MS coffee than to try and get you to drink FSF coffee.

Also I don't think the Free Software Foundation is trying to sell anything or get you to use anything in particular they just want to promote free - according to their definition - software.

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by Hiev on Fri 15th Dec 2006 23:05 in reply to "RE: ..."
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

Promoting product A saying product B sucks is not a good Idea, is better to say product A is better than product B, the way FSF is promoting it self in my opinion is not the right one.

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by KenJackson on Sat 16th Dec 2006 00:03 in reply to "..."
KenJackson Member since:
2005-07-18

...at least once I'd like to hear that I should use Free software because it has better quality...

OK, let me tell you. You should use free software because it has better quality.

Actually, I listed the reasons why I don't like windows, http://jackson.io/windows_explanation.html, and the reasons I like Linux, http://jackson.io/linux/#prefer_linux.

These are my attempts at specific itemizations. I even give a small salute to Bill Gates in the former.

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by glarepate on Sat 16th Dec 2006 02:05 in reply to "..."
glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

in my case the alternatives I've used in Linux to the software I use in Windows is just pathetic.

This is a fairly common comment in discussion forums such as ZDNet. What is fairly consistently lacking, but not universally missing, is one or more examples of what was tried and found wanting unless the discussion is about a specific application, i.e. Office vs OOo.

Do you have some experiences to offer or just a generic line about software rejection that resulted in pathos?

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by Rayz on Sat 16th Dec 2006 07:31 in reply to "RE: ... (the hidden directory)"
Rayz Member since:
2006-06-24

Well, in my experience, it just crashed a lot. But on the plus side, I never had any files trashed when it did, which I sometimes get with Word. So although it crashed a lot more than Office, it wasn't as painfully annoying when it did.

The only other problem was that the 5% of MS Office that it didn't do, always seemed to be the 5% that I needed. I also found it was much harder to get the formatting as neat as I'd like.

Another Plus: Cost me the price of a download to try out, so there really isn't any excuse for anyone not to at least give it a try.
Didn't suit me, but I'll look again ...

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