Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 15th Dec 2006 21:12 UTC
GNU, GPL, Open Source "The FSF today launched a campaign with a twofold mission of exposing the harms inflicted on computer users by the new Microsoft Windows Vista and promoting free software alternatives that respect users' security and privacy rights. "Vista is an upsell masquerading as an upgrade. It is an overall regression when you look at the most important aspect of owning and using a computer: your control over what it does. Obviously MS Windows is already proprietary and very restrictive, and well worth rejecting. But the new 'features' in Vista are a Trojan Horse to smuggle in even more restrictions. We'll be focusing attention on detailing how they work, how to resist them, and why people should care", said FSF program administrator John Sullivan."
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RE[6]: NotParker has got to go
by eMagius on Sat 16th Dec 2006 20:47 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: NotParker has got to go"
eMagius
Member since:
2005-07-06

Oh, of course. If you're against the FSF's manipulative practices and fearmongering, you're clearly a Microsoft astroturfer.

That logic worked for the Republicans for years, didn't it? You're either with us or you're a terrorist, right?

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archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

Oh, of course. If you're against the FSF's manipulative practices and fearmongering, you're clearly a Microsoft astroturfer.

That's not what I said, eMagius. Please stay honest and don't distort my words.

The fact is that when someone *never* criticizes Microsoft, *always* jumps to Microsoft's defense, *always* claims that the MS version of any program is the best there is, *always* claims that competitors to Microsoft are irrelevant, or inferior, or even immoral...well, one is right to suspect that this person is a prime candidate for astroturfing.

Then, when you openly state that you suspect that this person is astroturfing, that you confront that person and they don't even try to deny that they are astroturfing, then this tends to reinforce the notion that they are.

I mean, it is entirely possible that this particular someone (which I will not name here) is not an astroturfer and merely a overeager cheerleader...however, I have a hard time believing that someone could be that dedicated, that philosophically and emotionally attached to a company through pure fanboyism. It boggles my mind to consider this - even die-hard Apple fans are not as utterly, completely committed to MS as this prime candidate for astroturfing is.

BTW, comparing FOSS advocates to Republican is quite a cheap shot, considering how good a friend the Republicans have been to Microsoft under Dubya's reign...

And if you believe that MS doesn't hire astroturfers to pollute web sites with their propaganda, well, I'm sorry to say that I consider this to be incredibly naive. It wouldn't make *any* sense for MS to pass over such cost-effective "guerilla marketing" tactics. They have the means, the motivation, and the past history of underhanded shenanigans to do this, I would be very surprised if they didnt.

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RE[8]: NotParker has got to go
by hamster on Sat 16th Dec 2006 21:12 in reply to "RE[7]: NotParker has got to go"
hamster Member since:
2006-10-06

"The fact is that when someone *never* criticizes Microsoft, *always* jumps to Microsoft's defense, *always* claims that the MS version of any program is the best there is, *always* claims that competitors to Microsoft are irrelevant, or inferior, or even immoral...well, one is right to suspect that this person is a prime candidate for astroturfing. "

Switch Microsoft with linux and you'll have your self on the list of prime candidates.. Or is it just when it comes to Microsoft?

"Then, when you openly state that you suspect that this person is astroturfing, that you confront that person and they don't even try to deny that they are astroturfing, then this tends to reinforce the notion that they are. "

I've surely expect you to deny my claim... Unless ofcause you understand what it will tell about you.

"I mean, it is entirely possible that this particular someone (which I will not name here) is not an astroturfer and merely a overeager cheerleader...however, I have a hard time believing that someone could be that dedicated, that philosophically and emotionally attached to a company through pure fanboyism. It boggles my mind to consider this - even die-hard Apple fans are not as utterly, completely committed to MS as this prime candidate for astroturfing is. "

I do agree that this one guy has taken it far to long. But i don't see how he's any different from those who claim "free software" is the solution to all problems and that gnu/linux is second to none. When you look at it's no diffent from what this guy is doing. Again i expect you to disagree. Mainly because i supect it will put you in the same box as your prime candidate.

"BTW, comparing FOSS advocates to Republican is quite a cheap shot, considering how good a friend the Republicans have been to Microsoft under Dubya's reign... "

Will you'll have to say it's a cheap shot don't you.. how else could you argue against it?

"And if you believe that MS doesn't hire astroturfers to pollute web sites with their propaganda, well, I'm sorry to say that I consider this to be incredibly naive. It wouldn't make *any* sense for MS to pass over such cost-effective "guerilla marketing" tactics. They have the means, the motivation, and the past history of underhanded shenanigans to do this, I would be very surprised if they didnt."

Call me naiv all you want. I dont' really care what a "free software" believer calls me. I have better things to do then worry about the "free software" people.
But again you could argue that the same could be said about the companies spreding hype about gnu/linux... Are you on the payrole at a company pushing gnu/linux?

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RE[8]: NotParker has got to go
by MollyC on Sat 16th Dec 2006 22:45 in reply to "RE[7]: NotParker has got to go"
MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

""Then, when you openly state that you suspect that this person is astroturfing, that you confront that person and they don't even try to deny that they are astroturfing, then this tends to reinforce the notion that they are. "


So the allegation of astroturfing, itself, serves as part of the proof, eh? What is this, McCarthyism?

Your tactic of labelling those with whom you disagree as "astroturfers" is a cop out. It's your "trump card". Whenever anyone disagrees with your agenda, you can resort to pulling the "ASTROTURFER!!!" card, which (you miguidedly believe) magically discredits anything the poster has to say. Unfortunately for you, it discredits you, not the poster that you tried to discredit.

That goes for you, tweenex, b3tSimmons, and the rest of the FSF crusaders that are trying to turn OSNews into a battlefront in their holy war against Microsoft. And turn OSNews into an "amen corner" for FSF, where everyone nods in agreement and no dissenting opinion shall be tolerated.

Edited 2006-12-16 22:48

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