Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 18th Dec 2006 22:28 UTC
GNU, GPL, Open Source "Recently there has been a lot of discussion bubbling up regarding the possibility that Ubuntu will ship proprietary 3D drivers by default for some video cards. My aim here is not to discuss the specifics of that decision, which is still being fleshed out and ratified, but to instead define my views on the bigger picture behind the discussion - features vs. freedom."
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RE[2]: Freedom?
by Tor85 on Tue 19th Dec 2006 00:32 UTC in reply to "RE: Freedom?"
Tor85
Member since:
2006-07-04

> 1) hand-edit a config file so that I can then
Hm with Nvidia closed blob you don`t have to. There is now a script, that makes it for you. You just have to click Yes... -.-

>2) download & install a cobbled together open-source >driver
Uh? You mean closed blob I guess?

>3) and then edit yet another config file so that I can >get aforementioned cobbled together driver to actually >work.
No, you don`t have to do anything like that. Just 1 blob and then: yes, yes, yes.

>If it doesn't "just work" then, by definition >something's NOT working. And for me, right now, Linux >is not working. :/
When last time I used windows xp (2 years ago) I had to download nvidia blob either, so...

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RE[3]: Freedom?
by stestagg on Tue 19th Dec 2006 01:13 in reply to "RE[2]: Freedom?"
stestagg Member since:
2006-06-03

I guess you didn't understand the original post:

Hm with Nvidia closed blob you don`t have to

That's kinda the point, closed-source vendors *tend* to make sure that their closed-source blob 'just works'. Open source projects *tend* not to work so hard on ootb compatibility (Massive Generalisations, I know)

Uh? You mean closed blob I guess?

He's talking about one of the problems with current open-source drivers.

Just 1 blob and then: yes, yes, yes.

Or just one o/s driver, then Xorg.conf editing to get the driver to load etc..

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RE[4]: Freedom?
by DittoBox on Tue 19th Dec 2006 01:59 in reply to "RE[3]: Freedom?"
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2005-07-08

"That's kinda the point, closed-source vendors *tend* to make sure that their closed-source blob 'just works'. Open source projects *tend* not to work so hard on ootb compatibility (Massive Generalisations, I know)"

That's because Closed-source EULA's say they can't. Or some open-source licenses say you can't bundle closed kernel modules...hence the entire debate around Kororaa.

Otherwise out of the box compatibility would be loads better and would in fact probably surpass Microsoft (where it already does in many areas) and might come close to Apple's OS X (though not quite since Apple has complete hardware control).

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RE[4]: Freedom?
by fsckit on Tue 19th Dec 2006 05:03 in reply to "RE[3]: Freedom?"
fsckit Member since:
2006-09-24

He's talking about one of the problems with current open-source drivers.

If that is indeed what he's referring to I will have to say, with all due respect, that he's full of shit. I have heard this nonsense over and over. Yet in the 11 years that I've been using Linux I've not run across any open source, kernel space, driver that had to be compiled and put in after the install except maybe for the most exotic of hardware that I guarantee he is not using for his desktop.

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