Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st Dec 2006 23:59 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless HTC's eagerly anticipated entry into the ultra-mobile PC market has made an early, unscheduled appearance on the web, adding weight to the company's own admission that it could release a UMPC-like product as early as 2007. Mobile-Review has more photos [Russian, spec list in English] of the device. Don't tell me you don't (secretly) want one.
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RE[3]: I don't want one :-)
by signals on Fri 22nd Dec 2006 14:23 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: I don't want one :-)"
signals
Member since:
2005-07-08

Seriously, WindowsCE/Mobile is a terrible OS... My Nokia 770 has been the first mobile device that is actually worth a damn.

Look, I'm no Microsoft fanboy, quite the opposite in fact. But I own both an HTC Apache and a Nokia 770, and I have to say that the Apache is a very nice machine; the 770 was a complete waste of $350.

My biggest problem with the 770 is the form factor. I love the screen, but it makes the device too large to carry on a daily basis. If I don't carry the device around, I don't use it, and it sits on the charger and collects dust. The Apache is much smaller than the 770 and has an actual hardware keyboard!

But, there are countless other problems with the 770:

No keyboard is a huge deal for me. How am I to use SSH to log into my servers from the road? The on-screen keyboard on the 770 just wasn't cutting it.

The 770 has no built in communications besides wifi, either. If I'm going to carry around a brick the size of the 770 and all I can use for network access is wifi, I may as well just grab my MacBook Pro.

Also, I have yet to find a groupware solution for the 770 that works anywhere near as well as WM5. I need to be able to connect to my corporate Exchange server and synchronize e-mail, calendar, and contact information. With WM5, I even get true "push" e-mail. And, since the Apache can connect via USB/WiFi/EVDO/GPRS, I can connect from practically anywhere at any time.

And, (I'm still very bitter about this) I can't get my dang 770 on the wifi network where I work. They do 802.11x with WEP (don't ask why) here and the 770 is incapable of this. I had my Apache running WM5 on the corporate wifi network in about 2 minutes.

There's also no software for Maemo. For the last year or so, I have been following the Maemo related blogs and the application catalog at maemo.org waiting for the "killer apps" to come, but very slow progress is being made, especially considering that it's supposed to be so easy to "port" *nix/X11/GTK+ apps to Maemo.

(To make the software situation worse, they changed binary formats on me between the OS 2005 and OS 2006 releases of the 770 firmware. Important software that I had used on 2005 was never ported to 2006 by the authors, and I was even more upset with Maemo because now I had actually lost functionality during an upgrade.)

Also, the 770 is slow as molasses. The processor in the 770 is half the speed of the Apache, and I can overclock the Apache to 150% of it's stock clock speed. I don't think Nokia gave the 770 enough memory for Linux either. So I was always starved for memory on the 770.

I realize that most of these points have to do with the hardware, and not the OS. But, what good is a great OS that only comes on lousy hardware?

As much as I hate to admit it, WM5 has been doing a great job at being my phone/PDA/internet-terminal, and the 770 was an incredible disappointment.

But, to each his own...

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RE[4]: I don't want one :-)
by tmack on Fri 22nd Dec 2006 15:01 in reply to "RE[3]: I don't want one :-)"
tmack Member since:
2006-04-11

Yeah, my opinion is the complete opposite, other than the 770 being underpowered.

I don't mind the 770 form factor... seems great to me. It doesn't have that giant PDA feel that every Windows Mobile PDA device seems to have.

I fine the screen perfect for SSH sessions and the osso xterminal application works great.

I'm not sure why having only wifi and bluetooth is a problem... I'm not sure why you'd want ethernet or some type of wired connection in a hand held device.

If you're having problems connecting to a WEP protected network with the Nokia, you're doing something wrong or you have bad hardware (either a defective 770 or AP or both).

There's a ton of software for the Nokia, but it's not a Microsoft product, so you're definately not going to get exchange functionality. But I'd hardly blame the Nokia for not being able to connect to some proprietary network service. That's like complaining that it can't connect to Windows Update... it's stupid.

If your Windows CE PDA is doing better at being a terminal than the Nokia 770, either you are doing something really, really wrong or you have a bad unit.

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RE[5]: I don't want one :-)
by signals on Fri 22nd Dec 2006 15:53 in reply to "RE[4]: I don't want one :-)"
signals Member since:
2005-07-08

I'm not sure why having only wifi and bluetooth is a problem... I'm not sure why you'd want ethernet or some type of wired connection in a hand held device.

I don't want a wired connection. I want a wireless connection that I can use anywhere, not just in a wifi hotspot. My Apache gives me just that on Sprint's EVDO network.

If you're having problems connecting to a WEP protected network with the Nokia, you're doing something wrong or you have bad hardware (either a defective 770 or AP or both).

I'd give you the bug number, but I'm too lazy to look it up now. But, the 770 supports 802.11x with WSA, and supports WEP without 802.11x, but does not support 802.11x with WEP. It's an unusual configuration for a wifi network, and I don't know why our data security and telecom folks decided to use it, but the 770 doesn't support it, and I'm not the only one who is having trouble.

There's a ton of software for the Nokia, but it's not a Microsoft product, so you're definately not going to get exchange functionality. But I'd hardly blame the Nokia for not being able to connect to some proprietary network service.

It's not about blame. I'm not blaming anyone. I'm just comparing 2 products based on my (and the typical corporate user's) needs. It's really not the Nokia's fault that it doesn't integrate well with Exchange, but it still doesn't integrate well with Exchange. So, the WM5 device is a better fit for a corporate Exchange user.

Oh, and as far as software, is there much more than is listed on this page?

http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006

Otherwise, I wouldn't call that a "ton of software."

If your Windows CE PDA is doing better at being a terminal than the Nokia 770, either you are doing something really, really wrong or you have a bad unit.

Well, the Nokia can't do RDP (at least not very well, no text input, etc.) so I can't log into the Windows servers in my server room. (If I had a choice they WOULD NOT run Windows, but some of the software our business needs dictate can only be run on Windows.)

Also, while the screen on the 770 makes the SSH session nicer because I can do a full-sized terminal, the lack of a real keyboard makes things very difficult for me. I can't type very quickly with the stylus-based keyboard, or the on screen thumb-board. A HW keyboard is a SERIOUS asset.

Believe me, I REALLY REALLY tried to like the Maemo device. I am, and always will be, a Unix geek. But the system just didn't work as well as I was hoping.

I also REALLY REALLY tried not to like the WM5 device, because I really don't like Microsoft very much. But, after owning and using Psions (way back in the day), Palms, Symbian smartphones, the Maemo based 770, and my HTC Apache, WM5 wins on overall functionality and suitability for my day-to-day-tasks.

Again.. To each his own. If you like your 770 best, then by all means use it. But, I can say for certain that not EVERYONE will agree.

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