Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 23rd Dec 2006 00:48 UTC, submitted by dumbkiwi
KDE This is a response to the article yesterday on the progress of GNOME and KDE. Aaron Seigo, a lead KDE developer, sets out the current state of progress with KDE 4, pointing out that KDE 4 is on track for a release in mid 2007. "Thom points to a quote from me that our goal is to have a 4.0 ready sometime in the first half of next year. That gives us until sometime in June and I'm still thinking we can make it."
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In defense of Thom...
by archiesteel on Sat 23rd Dec 2006 04:48 UTC
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2005-07-02

...he did spark a lively debate about the progress of KDE 4, and even got some of the project's leads to provide a "public" update on its progress.

I do think the tone of the original article was indeed inflammatory, but I suspect that Thom belongs to the polemicist school of rhetoric. :-)

I also believe that there is a fundamental misunderstanding about the direction KDE4 has taken, i.e. it is mostly not a cosmetic redesign, but rather largely "under the hood"...

The thing I wonder now is how KDE 4 and other next-gen WMs will take the opportunities offered by new hardware-accelerated desktops.

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RE: In defense of Thom...
by smitty on Sat 23rd Dec 2006 05:33 in reply to "In defense of Thom..."
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2005-10-13

I also believe that there is a fundamental misunderstanding about the direction KDE4 has taken, i.e. it is mostly not a cosmetic redesign, but rather largely "under the hood"...

I agree. When KDE4 was first being announced there was a ton of hype around Plasma and there hasn't been nearly as much discussion about all the other changes going on. So when someone who isn't really following KDE's progress in detail takes a quick look and sees that not a lot of Plasma has gotten done yet, they think that not much of KDE4 has been finished. The reality is that Plasma is the tip of the iceberg as Seigo put it, and a lot of the hard work being done is under the hood.

Edited 2006-12-23 05:37

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RE[2]: In defense of Thom...
by ma_d on Sat 23rd Dec 2006 05:47 in reply to "RE: In defense of Thom..."
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2005-06-29

That's how successful software development tends to go though... Things happen which you can't see for the first 60-95% of the development, and then things explode at the end.

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RE[2]: In defense of Thom...
by kaiwai on Sun 24th Dec 2006 02:36 in reply to "RE: In defense of Thom..."
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2005-07-06

I agree. When KDE4 was first being announced there was a ton of hype around Plasma and there hasn't been nearly as much discussion about all the other changes going on. So when someone who isn't really following KDE's progress in detail takes a quick look and sees that not a lot of Plasma has gotten done yet, they think that not much of KDE4 has been finished. The reality is that Plasma is the tip of the iceberg as Seigo put it, and a lot of the hard work being done is under the hood.

Right at the bottom of the blog article there was a good post relating to the issue; most of the pain and missery associated with the 4.0 development has been to do with the move from Qt 3.x to 4.x - the break in compatibility has resulted in a tonne of stuff that needed to be done.

You're right about the old iceburg - once they get the whole qt 4.x and KDE dependency's done, then development will sky rocket, because ultimately everything relies on that foundation; it isn't as though they could work on Plasma whilst the porting was being taking place - aka Plasma relies on javascript, which sits inside kdelibs which relies on qt 4.x :-)

For me, I'd sooner 4.x take a bit longer, and release a really stable and reliable system which can work great on all the supported platforms than hyping features, over promising, under delivering and as a result, destroy the reputation for opensource projects being an open and honest alternative to the scull duggery that occurs in the commercial software world.

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RE: In defense of Thom...
by Terracotta on Sat 23rd Dec 2006 09:56 in reply to "In defense of Thom..."
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2005-08-15

[QUOTE]I do think the tone of the original article was indeed inflammatory, but I suspect that Thom belongs to the polemicist school of rhetoric. :-) [\QUOTE]
He's just dutch... Still nice he linked this article, thumbs up there.

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I also believe that there is a fundamental misunderstanding about the direction KDE4 has taken, i.e. it is mostly not a cosmetic redesign, but rather largely "under the hood"...
[\QUOTE]
This is exactly what's been going on, but plasma and the new kwin got hyped for flashy desktops, while we have compiz, and while plasma is just the last thing to be done, since it's build on the stuff under the hood.

Edited 2006-12-23 09:56

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RE: In defense of Thom...
by superstoned on Sat 23rd Dec 2006 11:45 in reply to "In defense of Thom..."
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2005-07-07

about the hardware acceleration in KDE4, i've been testing Kwin_composite for some time. well, it works, but needs a lot of work... at least work is going on, and it'll also support older systems by means of allowing acceleration through openGL *AND* XRENDER & friends.

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