Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 23rd Dec 2006 17:45 UTC
X11, Window Managers Apparently, my article a few days ago caused a bigger stir than I had anticipated, not at all unrelated to the fact that my wordings may not have been optimal. So, let me clarify things a bit.
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RE: What is this all about?
by Mystilleef on Sun 24th Dec 2006 03:10 UTC
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Your needs to do not represent the needs of most users. I don't believe GNOME should have a video editor, bluetooth gadgets or Jabber client installed by default. If users need these tools, then they should install it themselves. Otherwise, GNOME will become bloated with tools that are useless to majority of users. For instance I don't do video editing or bluetooth, and I see no reason why GNOME should have it installed by default. In my opinion, GNOME should come with no applications other than a web browser, text editor, and configuration/system utilities.

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RE[2]: What is this all about?
by D3M0N on Sun 24th Dec 2006 06:17 in reply to "RE: What is this all about?"
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Your needs don't suit me, nor most users. Bluetooth is much more common than you think it is. Now-a-days its on many, many cell phones and PDA/PDA-like devices. It is extremely useful and to not have an application for that built in would be a "con". All modern operating systems need bluetooth easily acceessible.

Video editting is used quite a bit by mom and pop. They go to a wedding, or film their kids first birthday. They are most likely going to wnat to do something with it.

Unfortunetaely, just taking your examples, you are not most users in my opinion. Just by your seemingly minimalist wants, makes me think you are a "power user".

As long as there are not 10 different applications for one task, I don't see how GNOME would be getting bloated by including applications that have tons of possibility to be useful.

EDIT: Agree with you 100% Eugenia. Unification/Integration is key, which is why I moved to OS X and a Powerbook.

Edited 2006-12-24 06:24

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RE[3]: What is this all about?
by raver31 on Sun 24th Dec 2006 10:49 in reply to "RE[2]: What is this all about?"
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No-one is saying bluetooth should not be available. They are saying it should not be installed by default.

How easy is it to click Gnomebluetooth in synaptic, then click apply ?

Using your logic, you want bluetooth enabled out of the box.
OK, and I want gkrellm, gps, gaim to be installed out of the box.

do you want them too ?
then you would class that as bloat.

keep it basic and install the missing parts yourself

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RE[2]: What is this all about?
by Toad on Sun 24th Dec 2006 22:35 in reply to "RE: What is this all about?"
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I agree with you, due to working requirement I am using mostly Windows XP, but I have also Debian/Gnome installed, and using it somewhat.
While newbie at Linux, I love Debian's minimalistic approach about installed applications. And to be frank, I don't think Gnome has either the resources nor the financial backing to produce 100+ killer applications.
Let it focus on the core:
1. A user friendly working desktop/notebook environment.
2. A software developer friendly environment.

I don't even WANT a default web browser installed by default, what I want is a simple way to find,install, uninstall and administrate my software, regardless if I get it from the offical distrubution's repository(apt), or downloaded it from the manufacturers homepage.

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