Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 23rd Dec 2006 17:45 UTC
X11, Window Managers Apparently, my article a few days ago caused a bigger stir than I had anticipated, not at all unrelated to the fact that my wordings may not have been optimal. So, let me clarify things a bit.
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Thom's cool
by Mathman on Sun 24th Dec 2006 09:55 UTC
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2005-07-08

Thom's cool. I mean, you gotta give the guy points for trying at least. Heck, I gotta give all the osnews guys credit for making this site. Of course it pretty much sucks having your rear handed to you by a hard core kde dev. That was brutal.

KDE and Gnome and Mac and whatever else flamewars aside, my take on the matter, all I can say is Linux and various other operating systems are odd. It's hard sometimes for me to understand why more people aren't using them. For one thing, the stuff is free for the most part. And no I don't mean free as in you can get the source code or whatever, not that source code isn't nice mind you, I'll kinda get to that later, no I just mean free.

Thinking it over, I can come to two conclusions as to why people don't run OS's like Linux. One, lots and lots of people pirate Windows and Windows applications. And two, most people don't care all that much about their computers.

Now, this isn't to say most people wouldn't purchase Windows and various other software if they were forced to. But then not all of them would, and however minor this effect might be it certainly couldn't hurt the adoption of alternative operating systems.

As for my second point, just knowing how to take decent care of a Windows system is hard enough. Linux, at this point in time, is arguably even harder. Granted it's cake for me at this point, but I'm somewhat nuts like that. But then there you go. Some of us are so in need of customization (or paranoid might fit too) that we do crazy things like run Linux. Linux pretty much gives us total control over our hardware and the software that runs on top of it. All you want is an Openmosix kernel, a shell, and a custom init script you say? Not a problem. A little router? A place to store backups? An ultra secure logging and monitoring machine? You got it.

Again, it's hard for me to understand why people don't use Linux more. But then yeah, not everyone is like me I guess.

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RE: Thom's cool
by h3rman on Sun 24th Dec 2006 10:35 in reply to "Thom's cool"
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2006-08-09

Again, it's hard for me to understand why people don't use Linux more. But then yeah, not everyone is like me I guess.

Eugenia would say that Linux does not offer what people "need".
Such as blobs and closed codecs installed by default and all kinds of bluetooth, GAIM, video editing integration (in which Linux/Gnome/KDE should apparently beat OS X, with its iMovie and stuff).

She may have a point - if all you care for is market share.
Which I increasingly care less about these days. A few million happy desktop Linux users all over the planet may constitute only a tiny percentage of desktops, it is still a few million happy desktop Linux users.

But well, say we agree we go for Linux market share expansion.
I would say that it is, quite simply, for the OEMs to preinstall a nice Linux distribution on the hardware they sell. It is, imho, as simple as that (I'm sorry that things may seem so basic sometimes; try Occam's razor for a while. I'm just a simple person, you know).

In order to get the OEMs to do that, all kinds of people will demand Linux distributions/Gnome/KDE to be or to offer all kinds of things, otherwise no OEM will go for it. One thing it must be, it seems: better than the competition - in every respect. And all that, being cheaper too.
If the FLOSS people would manage that, it would be an embarrassment to MS/Apple.
If they would not manage, people would say: you see, gone is the bubble!
Either way, nobody really into FLOSS really cares.

Well, we won't know until it (this preloading Linux by OEMs, I mean) is tried, will we. Maybe they never will try?
Maybe fear and corporate conservatism have something to do with it?

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RE: Thom's cool
by Lava_Croft on Sun 24th Dec 2006 12:33 in reply to "Thom's cool"
Lava_Croft Member since:
2006-12-24

Thom is indeed cool. His choice of words for his first article might have been questionable, his follow-ups have more than done the job of clarifying his views on the matter. What raises my eyebrows the most though, is the utter lack of competence from the Linux community in dealing with even the slightest criticism.

Thom, although you probably don't give a monkey's behind about my writing, I think you wrote two perfectly fine articles, it is not your fault the community reacts in such a manner to it.

Best wishes for 2007.

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RE[2]: Thom's cool
by tux68 on Sun 24th Dec 2006 12:59 in reply to "RE: Thom's cool"
tux68 Member since:
2006-10-24

Very nice first post Lava.

But what raises my eyebrows the most, is the utter lack of competence from the anti-Linux community in dealing with honest discussion or even the slightest criticism of Thom's _ideas_.

Should Thom be free to speak unquestioned like a religious leader from the pulpit? Or should his articles create _debate_ and _discussion_, you know... on a discussion based site like this one?

Admittedly, the type of articles Thom wrote this time didn't produce wildly useful discussion; but that's as much his fault as it is the people who responded. Garbage in, Garbage out.

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