Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 28th Dec 2006 22:22 UTC
IBM IBM's Lotus Software division is taking a bigger bite of Apple's Mac OS X. The company on Dec. 28 formally rolled out the latest version of its Lotus messaging software package, dubbed Notes 7.0.2, which will include e-mail, calendar management tools and instant messaging that is specifically designed for Mac OS X users.
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Fun while it lasted
by Phloptical on Thu 28th Dec 2006 23:26 UTC
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2006-10-10

Now you Mac people have to endure the garbage that is Lotus and Domino too....what joy. MS may have a lumbering albatross in Windows, but I think their Office products are right on the money. Even Office on the Mac is a good product, but Notes is plain horrid. We've had to endure it ever since our company got bought out and had to switch from an Exchange environment to Domino and Notes. Ugh. It's been 4 years of email-hell. Every night, as I check my mail in Thunderbird, it reminds me just how bad Notes is.

Just my opinion, but there's nothing Lotus Notes can do that Outlook and Access can't do as well, or better.

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RE: Fun while it lasted
by zizban on Thu 28th Dec 2006 23:48 in reply to "Fun while it lasted"
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2005-07-06

FYI: Access doesn't run on Mac OS X.

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RE[2]: Fun while it lasted
by Phloptical on Fri 29th Dec 2006 03:10 in reply to "RE: Fun while it lasted"
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2006-10-10

Yeah, I guess you're right. No VB for you, huh?

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Entourage
by s_groening on Sat 30th Dec 2006 17:49 in reply to "RE: Fun while it lasted"
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2005-12-13

...and neither so does Outlook... Even though it's getting better, Entourage is but a shallow attempt to satisfy Mac users when compared to its Windows sibling, Outlook.

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RE: Fun while it lasted
by jakesdad on Fri 29th Dec 2006 01:46 in reply to "Fun while it lasted"
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2005-12-28

6 in one hand half a dozen in the other... I can say the same thing about Exchange. I like notes and im happy to see them continue with this version.

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RE[2]: Fun while it lasted
by Phloptical on Fri 29th Dec 2006 03:08 in reply to "RE: Fun while it lasted"
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2006-10-10

The choice of two evils, then, I suppose.

Again, maybe it's the version we're using....who knows. I think it's 5, if that makes any difference.

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RE: Fun while it lasted
by kwanbis on Fri 29th Dec 2006 02:23 in reply to "Fun while it lasted"
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2005-07-06

it's just so obvious when people talk about "email" that you don't understand lotus notes. I have 500 accounts. Never before used notes admin client. Have no problems so far. Notes/Domino is not a "mail" system. Is a colaboration application and development system.

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RE[2]: Fun while it lasted
by Phloptical on Fri 29th Dec 2006 02:47 in reply to "RE: Fun while it lasted"
Phloptical Member since:
2006-10-10

Yeah...except the majority of the office folk use the "collaboration" aspect to look up the posting for the company holidays, or (as we do) put the work instructions on it or check the corrective action list. Like it or not, the email function gets used the most by everyone.

In defense of IBM, maybe it's the rev we're using, either 5 or 6 I think, but I'll be glad when we're off of it.

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RE[2]: Fun while it lasted
by elsewhere on Fri 29th Dec 2006 04:23 in reply to "RE: Fun while it lasted"
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2005-07-13

it's just so obvious when people talk about "email" that you don't understand lotus notes. I have 500 accounts. Never before used notes admin client. Have no problems so far. Notes/Domino is not a "mail" system. Is a colaboration application and development system.

Notes is a powerful collaborative-type application development, although it's big and bloated and showing it's age, I'm not sure if it isn't a bit archaic in a web-app driven world, though it was pretty ground-breaking at the time.

Aside from that, the majority of Lotus implementations are simply for email. We've been running Domino as our messaging platform for longer than any employee should possibly have to endure, and it is absolutely awful for email. I've suffered through client crashes since 4.x, though I'm not sure why the version numbers increment because each version looks and acts the same. The biggest single improvement I've found in all those years is that I no longer need to use that killnotes.exe app that a domino dev developed and posted to the lotus.net support site, the one that allowed you to kill still-running notes processes after a crash. Because up until recent versions you were forced to reboot every time notes crashed. Seriously, don't get me started on what an awful program Notes is for *users*.

Interestingly, my gf was using Notes 6.something for OSX on her powerbook for a while. It was equally awful to use and crashed even more frequently. They've since migrated to Exchange, but I do suspect that this announcement is good news for OSX users that are working within a Domino infrastructure. I assume this version is based on the eclipse application framework similar to the linux version, which I assume should bring much better stability and a nicer GUI to look at.

The kick in the @ss, for me anyways, is that our IT department migrated the handful of "collaborative" apps we were using on Lotus which mostly amounted to generic intranet type purposes. We've standardized on SharePoint for that, and now Lotus is strictly email and calendaring. *sigh*

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RE: Fun while it lasted
by Fennec_Fox on Fri 29th Dec 2006 02:24 in reply to "Fun while it lasted"
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2006-10-30

Well, not being a big fan of Lotus Notes myself (use it at work 5 days a week), and agreeing with you that Outlook is much more refined product, I still think that it's a good move for IBM. With competition being so tough on Windows platform, they have to try and get into other markets. So, OSX seems to be a logical choice... Would be interesting to see what will be the acceptance rate ;)

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RE[2]: Fun while it lasted
by kwanbis on Fri 29th Dec 2006 02:27 in reply to "RE: Fun while it lasted"
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2005-07-06

How can outlook, a mail/calendar application compare with lotus notes? I don't get it.

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