Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 13th Jan 2007 00:12 UTC, submitted by Charles A Landemaine
PC-BSD In his 'A week with...' series, Justin has used PC-BSD 1.3 this week and is sharing his experience. In other news, the PC-BSD team unveiled a sneak peek of the new look of the software installation wizard.
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RE[3]: some corrections
by molnarcs on Sun 14th Jan 2007 16:58 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: some corrections"
molnarcs
Member since:
2005-09-10

You mean we should test new (alpha) features on our users?

Absolutely not. I talked about helping new features reach maturity faster. I didn't say you should dump new, untested features on your userbase in RELEASE - I refered to beta testing. Xorg is a good example: since 6.9 is well tested, you could try build it as per instructions on wikitest, and release 1.3 alpha, beta, etc. with that. If it doesn't work, you could have switched back to 6.9 for the RCs.

If you think that we (PC-BSD Team) is sitting in cave and waiting for ports appear then you are wrong-

That is exactly how it looks like from the outside.

we file bugreports and help troubleshoot many FreeBSD desktop specific bugs and of course we know about Xorg 7.2, DRM/DRI, about HALd disaster, current USB suckiness (sry, limitations/bugs), crippled features in KDE- broken by Linux oriented developers (NFS, Samba, CUPS...), ZFS, Gjournaling filesystem, MAC, etc...

Of course you know about it - I didn't say you don't know about it. I said that your claim that "PC-BSD is first to use latest KDE and various technologies that is never used on FreeBSD" is patently false. It is an overstatement. Exaggeration. And nothing you said disproves this. PC-BSD helps FreeBSD through exposing its desktop capabilities - but it is definitely not "first to use latest KDE and various technologies." You are dishonest if you claim otherwise. I never saw anything appear in PC-BSD before it was available in the official ports tree - nothing!

What I would like to see is more active participation in testing. Release early, release often, and include new technologies in alpha/beta releases (again, not in final versions!). Build new technologies with debug symbols, and provide users with the means to help file intelligent bug reports - that's what the project needs, and that is what, contrary to your claims, I haven't seen coming from PC-BSD. Or care to point out your bugreports/patches that helped stabilize HALd, Xorg, or any new technology?

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RE[4]: some corrections
by antik on Sun 14th Jan 2007 18:56 in reply to "RE[3]: some corrections"
antik Member since:
2006-05-19

I said that your claim that "PC-BSD is first to use latest KDE and various technologies that is never used on FreeBSD" is patently false. It is an overstatement. Exaggeration. And nothing you said disproves this. PC-BSD helps FreeBSD through exposing its desktop capabilities - but it is definitely not "first to use latest KDE and various technologies." You are dishonest if you claim otherwise. I never saw anything appear in PC-BSD before it was available in the official ports tree - nothing!

Because you are not PC-BSD developer- that's why.

I was unpleasantly surprised that KDE FreeBSD team decided to release KDE 3.5.5 in ports- it is buggiest release ever- we had really hard time to fix it and make at least somewhat usable- all our mounting scripts are useless with this release (kioslave was broken)- only solution was to enable that damn HALD (don't work as advertised because of FreeBSD USB bugs).

SHOW ME OTHER FREEBSD DISTRIBUTION THAT IS USING KDE 3.5.5 RIGHT NOW!

/me closes ThinkPad lid- I am sick of this shit already...

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RE[5]: some corrections
by molnarcs on Sun 14th Jan 2007 22:50 in reply to "RE[4]: some corrections"
molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

Because you are not PC-BSD developer- that's why.

Nice attitude there ;) I've been a PC-BSD user and a contributor (PBIs) - time doesn't allow me to continue, but I'm very much a fan of the project (see my list of recommended articles here on osnews).

only solution was to enable that damn HALD (don't work as advertised because of FreeBSD USB bugs).

And you call yourself a developer? Perhaps you should have taken a look at the Makefile of kdebase - HALd support is not only optional, but off by default. You could easily avoid using HALd and continue to use your own scripts. But therein lies the dilemma: actually, switching to HALd means more testing, and more contributions... Oh wait... Instead of working with FreeBSD to fix the problems, you keep bitching about FreeBSD USB bugs, HALd disaster, etc. Have you tried the new, GIANT-less usb stack of HSP? Did you try to contact him, offering some testing/asking for help (realeasing a more up to date driver for 6.x)?

I know PC-BSD developers, and the tremendous work they put into polishing this distribution. You don't help their reputation with your attitude, or your display of ignorance.

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