Linked by Thomas Leonard on Tue 16th Jan 2007 00:32 UTC
General Development In the Free and Open Source communities we are proud of our 'bazaar' model, where anyone can join in by setting up a project and publishing their programs. Users are free to pick and choose whatever software they want... provided they're happy to compile from source, resolve dependencies manually and give up automatic security and feature updates. In this essay, I introduce 'decentralised' installation systems, such as Autopackage and Zero Install, which aim to provide these missing features.
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RE[3]: B.A.D idea
by archiesteel on Tue 16th Jan 2007 05:34 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: B.A.D idea"
archiesteel
Member since:
2005-07-02

Because the Distributors sometimes take long to package. What it should is as simple for developers to package that properly running source tree as taring the folder. Notice that what is described in the article simply generates instructions as to what is provided/needed in terms of files and actions.

There's nothing preventing developers to package their applications using statically-linked binaries *and* having the same apps be packaged by distros at the same time. That way those who want the latest and greatest can download them directly from the developer's web site, and those who prefer to wait for the packages to be available in the repos can do that as well.

You shouldn't have to choose between the two, you should be able to use both as you wish. The only thing I can see being a bit harder is managing system menus, but with freedesktop.org that's not much of an issue anymore.

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RE[4]: B.A.D idea
by raynevandunem on Tue 16th Jan 2007 06:33 in reply to "RE[3]: B.A.D idea"
raynevandunem Member since:
2006-11-24

Yeah, but can you install that app from the developer's site with a GUI front-end if you wanted to?

Anybody with command-line prowess can pick either solution if they wanted to, while those who don't, but still want the latest and greatest just as much as the next person, will only have one solution available to them.

And unfortunately, that's the majority of the folks who use desktop distros such as Ubuntu....or at least the target audience that those distros are gunning for.

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RE[5]: B.A.D idea
by archiesteel on Tue 16th Jan 2007 07:02 in reply to "RE[4]: B.A.D idea"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

Yeah, but can you install that app from the developer's site with a GUI front-end if you wanted to?

I'm not sure you read what I posted correctly. I said that developers can provide standalone GUI installers or use on of the other (GUI) methods that use statically-linked libraries. I was not talking about compiling the apps...

but still want the latest and greatest just as much as the next person

See, that's where you get it wrong. Ordinary users don't want the latest and greatest, they want apps that work well. Constantly getting the latest version is something that Windows geeks do (the same hold true ex-Windows geeks using Linux, such as me).

When you say that everyone wants to run the latest and greatest, I believe you are projecting your own preferences onto the average user, and that you are mistaken in doing so.

Mind you, as I said I think developers should release statically-linked GUI installers in addition to tarballs, and let the distro makers update their repositories in all due time.

Also, as I've pointed out many times over the past few days, the Ubuntu repos are *very* up-to-date. If one cannot wait a day or two for an app to be released, then perhaps one needs to get a life... :-)

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