Linked by Anton Klotz on Thu 18th Jan 2007 18:16 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems This article tries to explain why workstations are no longer an appropriate tool for the present working environment, what the alternatives are, and what consequences it has for the development of OSes.
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RE: Well, rubbish I'd say:
by jamesd on Fri 19th Jan 2007 03:10 UTC in reply to "Well, rubbish I'd say:"
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2006-01-17

"A terminal? No way. Too little, too late. Seriously, this has been around for some time now, and it has _never_ worked. SUN has claimed it, but not even they managed to push it thru. Now MS is proclaiming the server in every home - maybe that leads to terminals altho I doubt it very much. A PC can be had for as little as $ 200. Why should I buy a terminal that is more expensive? I don't see any reason."[/i]

what is the real cost of that $200 computer. First at that price it can't come with Windows XP or Vista with full networking capabilities so add on $150. Next we need antivirus, malware, and a copy of MS office, so that is another $500 or so in software, plus about 4 hours of a techs time at $25 an hour for another $100. Now if anything breaks a tech will have to respond to the desktop say that happens once every 3 months, and it takes an hour each time that is another $100 a year, then add in power costs so that $200 computer now costs the company about $1000. All these are low figures in real life they are much higher, and involves keeping a pile of computers that need to replace deffective ones or spare parts.

Now lets look at a Sun Ray, they are about $300 requires about 15 minutes to setup so that works out to be $325. All administration is done at the server, and can be configured to automatically login to a terminal server running a shared license of Office, anti virus, malware removal and is setup once and costs an average of $300 per user for the license that is shared between a dozen users, if you are running an opensource solution you can subtract the $300. Since its maintained all on the servers it means that joe tech that used to run around from cubical to cubical and taking extended breaks betwwen calls is now replaced saving the company his $50,000 a year salary and benefit package.

How long does the computer last, a cheap $200 computer would probably last 2years, 3 at the most, so budget another $1000 in 3 years for a "new $200" computer. The sunray last 5+ years because they don't have hard drives or fans that fail, and don't need to be replaced when MS decides to release a new OS thus saving another $1000 because it didn't need to be replaced after 2-3 years.

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RE[2]: Well, rubbish I'd say:
by vegai on Fri 19th Jan 2007 07:16 in reply to "RE: Well, rubbish I'd say:"
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2005-12-25

> what is the real cost of that $200 computer. First at that price it can't come with Windows XP or Vista with full networking capabilities so add on $150. Next we need antivirus, malware, and a copy of MS office, so that is another $500 or so in software, plus about 4 hours of a techs time at $25 an hour for another $100. Now if anything breaks a tech will have to respond to the desktop say that happens once every 3 months, and it takes an hour each time that is another $100 a year, then add in power costs so that $200 computer now costs the company about $1000. All these are low figures in real life they are much higher, and involves keeping a pile of computers that need to replace deffective ones or spare parts.

Have you heard of this thing called Linux?

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RE[3]: Well, rubbish I'd say:
by jamesd on Fri 19th Jan 2007 13:23 in reply to "RE[2]: Well, rubbish I'd say:"
jamesd Member since:
2006-01-17

Have you heard of this thing called Linux?

sure have, but most offices are still running Windows, but feel free to to subtract the $500 software fee, and double the install time unless you have a tech that is really on the ball (and more expensive). And also double price because windows tech are a dime a dozen, Linux/Unix guys tend to make more money. And the tech will still need to make at least 2 trips to the desk a year for hardware and networking problems.

Even with the reduction in costs the $200 computer still costs closer to $500.

with the sun ray techs only need to visit the users desk for setup and total hardware failure since there are no user configurable parts on the sun ray its just set and forget as far as the tech goes and no hard drive or fans to die.

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