Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 22nd Jan 2007 16:56 UTC, submitted by Robert
Novell and Ximian Novell might have signed a patent and interoperability deal with Microsoft Corp but it is not about to give up competing with the software giant and last week released a study that suggests its Linux desktop product is better value than Windows Vista. The company's competitive guide compares SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop with Windows Vista and claims that the Linux product provides 90% of Vista's functionality and 10% of the price.
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rayiner
Member since:
2005-07-06

However, most of that learning curve is because people are used to Windows.

This point should not be underestimated. Windows seems obvious to those that have been using it for a long time, but it's not to those who haven't. The last version of Windows I used as my primary desktop was NT 4.0. I have to use XP often enough that I can do a basic install, but its administration is not obvious to me. For example, I know if I'm having problems with my wifi card on Linux, I can get its status by doing "cat /proc/net/wireless". What's the equivalent on Windows? What's the equivalent to "dmesg"? Or anything in "/proc" for that matter? On a more developer-oriented note, what's the equivalent to "readelf", or "strace"?

I think a lot of complaints about Linux usability stem from Windows power users who get frustrated by the fact that their acquired knowledge is now useless. People whose first reaction to needing software is to Google for it, instead of firing up Synaptic. People who have no problem with regedit, but find /etc to be arcane. It works both ways too, of course. Part of my frustration with XP probably stems from having things like 'ls' ingrained into my muscle-memory.

Edited 2007-01-22 19:28

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merkoth Member since:
2006-09-22

I think a lot of complaints about Linux usability stem from Windows power users who get frustrated by the fact that their acquired knowledge is now useless.

That's why we hear so much comments like "I won't learn about computers a second time just to use Linux". The problem is that the average user thinks that he/she knows about computers just because someone else explained them how to burn a CD with Nero. So, when moved to a different platform, they suddenly find out that they don't have a single clue. Is this their fault? No. This is what happens when you have a monopoly: most people think that Windows' way is the only and better way of doing things.

Now, leaving the dead horse alone, I think that SLED 10 is a great contender for Vista: in fact, it might beat Vista on performance / hardware requirements. The UI isn't that different from Windows and works nicely.
They both would be way more suited for the enterprise without fancy graphics, though. You don't need XGL+Compiz / Aero Glass to use a freaking spreadsheet or a database frontend.

But I agree, there's a lot to keep in mind when deciding the OS your bussiness will use for a very long term besides price.

Edited 2007-01-22 19:48

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yak8998 Member since:
2006-07-28

"That's why we hear so much comments like "I won't learn about computers a second time just to use Linux". The problem is that the average user thinks that he/she knows about computers just because someone else explained them how to burn a CD with Nero. So, when moved to a different platform, they suddenly find out that they don't have a single clue."

Well it also comes full circle. A lifelong user coming to Linux comes to Windows and won't know how to do anything either. Same with OSX in either of those situations. They're all different platforms. You don't "know about computers" just from knowing how to use one OS over another.

I support and use Linux. I also work as sys admin for a 98% windows enviroment (10 *ix servers and one mac) so I get the best and worst of both worlds. =/ lol'd about the compiz/xgl for a spreadsheet comment

Edited 2007-01-23 08:26

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

With that being said, there are still deficiences; for example, I've moved back to Windows XP because it is impossible to surf the net and rip a cd at the same time - soundjuicer sucks up all the CPU and the internet slows to a crawl; I've yet to experience that problem running Windows XP + Intels latest drivers.

Add that to the list of applications that end users need, its not just a simple tasking of picking up, replacing and carry on working - its a whole lot more complex than that; like I keep repeating, businesses do more than just type out letters.

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DrillSgt Member since:
2005-12-02

"With that being said, there are still deficiences; for example, I've moved back to Windows XP because it is impossible to surf the net and rip a cd at the same time - soundjuicer sucks up all the CPU and the internet slows to a crawl; I've yet to experience that problem running Windows XP + Intels latest drivers."

Then use grip on linux. I can rip many CD's and nothing else gets slowed down when I do. One should have nothing to do with the other.

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DeadFishMan Member since:
2006-01-09

With that being said, there are still deficiences; for example, I've moved back to Windows XP because it is impossible to surf the net and rip a cd at the same time - soundjuicer sucks up all the CPU and the internet slows to a crawl; I've yet to experience that problem running Windows XP + Intels latest drivers.

I believe that SoundJuicer somehow was the culprit here. My main machine is an old P4 1.5 Ghz with only 256 Mb of RAM but it flies with Opera (I used to swear by Firefox but its infamous memory leaks are getting on my nerves and there is little point using it with so little RAM available) and KAudioCreator running on the background ripping an audio CD. I know because I do that a lot as I still have 120 or so more audio CDs to convert to MP3 to use with my MP3 player.

A few days ago I was using k9copy - arguably a CPU intensive application - to.. erm, make backups of.. erm... some DVDs that I own (yeah! ;) ) while KTorrent downloading three... erm, Linux ISOs files (yeah, thatīs it! ;) ) and everybody knows that those Bit Torrent clients open as many connections as they can and slowing down the machine considerably - as far as internet activities are concerned - but it still was churning along with Opera reading a few simple websites including OSNews (although those that had some Flash ad or something like that were a definitely no-go for obvious reasons).

GNOME used to be a heck of a memory hog but it is somewhat better now so thatīs why Iīm placing my bets on SoundJuicer being the culprit but in no way I would force myself to use Windows at home just because of that! ;)

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amadensor Member since:
2006-04-10

I agree completely. I remember my first, jolting experience with Windows. I had to ask someone just to figure out how to change my password. Who would have guessed the three finger salute. Typing passwd made much more sense.

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