Linked by Eugenia Loli on Wed 24th Jan 2007 18:41 UTC, submitted by Sandro Hartley
OSNews, Generic OSes Andrew Tanenbaum has introduced his latest metric: LFs - Lifetime Failures to describe the number of times software, particularly the operating system, has crashed in a user's lifetime.
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Minix vs Linux
by Ravyne on Wed 24th Jan 2007 20:25 UTC
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2006-01-08

Its pretty obvious the auther of the article didn't have a very strong grasp of the relationship between Minix and Linux.

Saying that Linux is "based on" Minix is perhaps a bit to strong, if not incorrect. "Inspired by" might be a better wording. While the original Linux implimented many of the same features and techniques as Minix (Torvalds was a student of Tanenbaum at the time of its creation,) the overall design philosophy is different. Linux is a highly monolithic kernel, while Minux is a modular microkernel design.

Neither do I think that Tanenbaum's suggestion Holds much more weight with Torvalds than anyone else's. Surely Torvalds would agree with the ends, but its been pretty clear over the years that he disagree's with Tanenbaum on the means.

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RE: Minix vs Linux
by llanitedave on Wed 24th Jan 2007 21:58 in reply to "Minix vs Linux"
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2005-07-24

(Torvalds was a student of Tanenbaum at the time of its creation,)

Linus was a student, but not a student of Tannebaum.

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RE: Minix vs Linux
by hal2k1 on Thu 25th Jan 2007 00:55 in reply to "Minix vs Linux"
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2005-11-11

//Saying that Linux is "based on" Minix is perhaps a bit to strong, if not incorrect.//

Definitely too strong, and definitley incorrect. Replace "based on Minix" with "written using a Minix system", and you will get it.

// "Inspired by" might be a better wording.//

It might be, but it isn't. {Correcting myself, maybe it is: from Wikipedia: "Operating Systems: Design and Implementation and Minix [1] were Linus Torvalds' inspiration for the Linux kernel." Also: "Linus was inspired by Minix (an operating system developed by Andrew S. Tanenbaum) to develop a capable Unix-like operating system that could be run on a PC."}

"Inspired by" it is, then.

// While the original Linux implimented many of the same features and techniques as Minix//

Not really.

// (Torvalds was a student of Tanenbaum at the time of its creation,) //

Are you sure about that? I don't think this is correct. Torvalds and Tanenbaum come from two entirely different European nations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds
"In 1990 he purchased an Intel 80386-based IBM PC and spent a few weeks playing the game Prince of Persia before receiving his Minix copy which in turn enabled him to begin his work on Linux."

Torvalds is from Finland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_S._Tanenbaum

Tanenbaum is from the Netherlands. Dutch.

The relationship between these individuals seems to be limited to a lively internet debate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum-Torvalds_debate

//the overall design philosophy is different. Linux is a highly monolithic kernel, while Minux is a modular microkernel design. //

This bit you also got right. The only thing I would change in this text is to say the overall design philosophy is fundamentally different.

Edited 2007-01-25 01:15

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RE[2]: Minix vs Linux
by hal2k1 on Thu 25th Jan 2007 01:22 in reply to "RE: Minix vs Linux"
hal2k1 Member since:
2005-11-11

//
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_S._Tanenbaum

Tanenbaum is from the Netherlands. Dutch. //

Correcting myself once again: Tanenbaum is actually from America.

"Tanenbaum was born in New York City and grew up in suburban White Plains, New York. "

He only works in the Netherlands:
"Dr. Andrew Stuart "Andy" Tanenbaum (sometimes called ast)[1] (born 1944) is a professor of Computer Science at the Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam in the Netherlands."

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RE[2]: Minix vs Linux
by Ravyne on Fri 26th Jan 2007 20:08 in reply to "RE: Minix vs Linux"
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2006-01-08

//// While the original Linux implimented many of the same features and techniques as Minix//

Not really.//

My understanding was that the original linux was essentially minix compatible, supporting the minix filesystem and binary format - unless thats mistaken I guess the accuracy of my statement depends on your definition of "many" and how much difference you allow for two similar techniques or features to be considered equal.

//// (Torvalds was a student of Tanenbaum at the time of its creation,) //

Are you sure about that? I don't think this is correct. Torvalds and Tanenbaum come from two entirely different European nations.//

Fair enough, I guess I'm mistaken. I recall reading an article that Linus was a student at the time of Tanenbaum's work on Minix, but perhaps it was the wording of the article or the way I read it that led me to believe that Linus was a student of Tanenbaum's.

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