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PC-BSD PC-BSD 1.3 was released on New Year's Eve. Dru Lavigne interviewed Kris Moore, Andrei Kolu, and Charles Landemaine of the PC-BSD release engineering team regarding the new release and their involvement within the PC-BSD community.
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the worst of both worlds
by unclefester on Fri 26th Jan 2007 17:07 UTC
unclefester
Member since:
2007-01-13

I have spent the last week grappling with PC-BSD and found it a huge disappointment. The promise of a simple Freebsd install and self installing binaries seemed like a dream. I have now erased it and reinstalled UBuntu Edgy.

PC-BSD installs effortlessly and has great hardware detection. The only problem is that you have a very limited base system with no real options.

The PBI store is basically empty. About a dozen essential applications (mostly out of date) and a few knicknacks - this compares with the 16,000 ports available. Sure the PBIs install with a simple click. The only problem is the PBI applications don't really work properly after installation. The system is stable but the applications crash constantly. The uninstaller frequently fails to remove installed PBIs.

Don't bother trying to use the ports system. It simply won't co-exist with the PBI system. The Kports graphical port manager quits constantly. The command line doesn't work because the ports won't install properly.

Don't bother looking for help on the forums - they are practically non-existent. I (and several other users) downloaded the Wine PBI. It came up as corrupted - the advice from the maintainer was to try a different download mirror despite the PBI itself being corrupted.

I then decided to install Ubuntu Edgy as a dual boot. Ubuntu can't resize UFS partitions. Time for PC-BSD to be erased and replaced.

PCBSD is no good for newbies due to a lack of software. Experienced users can simply install Freebsd or desktopbsd (and update to Freebsd 6.2)

Edited 2007-01-26 17:13

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RE: the worst of both worlds
by antik on Fri 26th Jan 2007 17:19 in reply to "the worst of both worlds"
antik Member since:
2006-05-19

The PBI store is basically empty. About a dozen essential applications (mostly out of date) and a few knicknacks - this compares withn the 16,000 ports available. Sure the PBIs install with a simple click. The only problem is the PBI applications don't really work properly after installation. The system is stable but the applications crash constantly. The uninstaller frequently fails to remove installed PBIs.

First time I hear about inability to uninstall any PBI- what package is caused you such a problem?

Don't bother trying to use the ports system. It simply won't co-exist with the PBI system. The Kports graphical port manager quits constantly. The command line doesn't work because the ports won't install properly.

Kports is not official PC-BSD ports manager and until it gain some stability- never will. Command line works perfectly here- you just had bad luck with some port- you should contact port maintainer about issues you found- look at Makefile in port directory for more information. I have reported many ports inconsistency and they are fixed within hours.

Don't bother looking for help on the forums - they are practically non-existent. I (and several other users) downloaded the Wine PBI. It came up as corrupted - the advice from the maintainer was to try a different download mirror despite the PBI itself being corrupted.

Yes, sometimes mirrors are syncronised same time as PBI is uploaded and got half-uploaded file- this is our fault that we publish PBI too early- have to wait for mirrors sync.

Blaming forums about your inability to ask questions properly is lame. Sometimes it is good to RTFM first- FreeBSD got excellent Handbook here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/

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RE: the worst of both worlds
by Joe User on Fri 26th Jan 2007 19:19 in reply to "the worst of both worlds"
Joe User Member since:
2005-06-29

I'm having a hard time believing you. I feel a lot more at home with PC-BSD than with Ubuntu.

The only problem is that you have a very limited base system with no real options.

Could you elaborate?

They don't have that many application as PBI files but they offer the most used ones. There is still the ports collection with 18,000 applications. I don't use ports because I have what I need as PBI's.

The system is stable but the applications crash constantly. The uninstaller frequently fails to remove installed PBIs.

You really didn't have luck. I haven't had any application crash. If the application doesn't work, it's not PC-BSD's fault, it's due to the person who released the PBI.

AFAIK, ports, packages and PBI's works very well together. On their forum I haven't seen any complain on this issue. Ports are known for their stability. Did you read the "UPDATING" file?

PCBSD is no good for newbies due to a lack of software.

Among the 18,000 ports, I can find more than I need. I actually use exclusively PBI's.

I think the PC-BSD forum is excellent, there is always people to help. Kudos to them and good luck.

Sorry, I didn't believe a single word of your experience.

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RE[2]: the worst of both worlds
by Lengsel on Fri 26th Jan 2007 21:41 in reply to "RE: the worst of both worlds"
Lengsel Member since:
2006-04-19

Now now, can you really say you don't believe them? I think what they say is completely true. Where they are making the major error, is casting off the whole operating system because of what happened to them, because of their experience. I'm guessing they want something that boots and works perfectly no matter how limited the user's knowledge is. If they want something like that, I would greatly recommend, maybe emphasis, to go use, umm is the "W" word allowed here on OSNews? Or is it only the "M" word we can't say? I'd recommend something else, BSD is not for you at this point if not willing to take the time to read, ask questions, try doing what people suggest before saying it sucks. Although with their impatience combined with frustration, I would say there is a possibility there that they could be exaggerating 1 or 2 things.

I'll give an example. I am currently trying to use OpenBSD, I got it installed, but that's, I got jack else working. I am trying to figure out how to dual boot it on a dual hard drive system, and trying to figure out how to get KDE installed and up and running so I can start doing stuff from there. My point is, I want to use OpenBSD, knowing I'd be clueless going into it, so I bought Absolute OpenBSD book, signed up for a couple mailing lists, have read a couple OpenBSD FAQ's. So what I'm saying is it's not currently doing what I want, so I'm trying to search through, read stuff, email people, search the net, to help me step by step to what I want to do, and make sure I am not asking for things that the system is not intended for, always remembering my lack of knowledge of OpenBSD before I say anything bad about it. So I am trying to learn the system to see what my options are, and not see if it fits up to my standard of telling it what it must do for me

Side note to first paragraph:Maybe Mac would be easier, but don't try using any non-Apple software for any serious work, that's why there's books on "the Mac Cult".

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RE: the worst of both worlds
by Doc Pain on Sat 27th Jan 2007 05:53 in reply to "the worst of both worlds"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"Don't bother trying to use the ports system. It simply won't co-exist with the PBI system. The Kports graphical port manager quits constantly. The command line doesn't work because the ports won't install properly."

Don't reduce the ports system with the KPorts program. From my experience, using ports (cd /usr/ports/what/ever && make install) works fine.

"I then decided to install Ubuntu Edgy as a dual boot. Ubuntu can't resize UFS partitions."

Is this a PC-BSD or an Ubuntu issue?

"PCBSD is no good for newbies due to a lack of software. "

Cannot confirm this. My neighbour now uses PC-BSD sinve version 1.1 and is very happy with the base system, the KDE desktop and the software availabe via the PBI directory. He never complained about not finding a program fitting his needs. Along with the provided PBI packages the FreeBSD ports can be used as well, there are 20,000+ applications (if I remember the number correctly) available. Next to the ports, every POSIX compatible program can be compiled and installed with PC-BSD; the classical "./configure && make && make install" sould still work.

How many (and what) applications do you suppose a newbie to need?

In my opinion, it's not the amount of available software, it's the easieness to install software what's important do a newbie. Newbies in most cases don't know what they want and therefore cannot find software they really need.

"Experienced users can simply install Freebsd or desktopbsd (and update to Freebsd 6.2)"

I think you're right. That's what an experienced user would do. I've done the same since FreeBSD 4.0. :-)

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