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Invincible Cow
Member since:
2006-06-24

> 0) in Firefox press CTRL and + or - ( or use the scroll wheel )
That doesn't change the fact that:
- Small fonts are mushy (see my screenshot)
- The difference between font size 8 and font size 12 is too large

> 1) Witch version of Ubuntu you got ? latest is 6.10 The Edgy Eft
The screenshot is from Fedora Core 6. I have tried Ubuntu 5.10, 6.06 and 6.10 and didn't notice any difference between them.

> 2) you installed ? : 3) you tried ? : 4) 6)
1) I shouldn't have to do anything to get readable fonts out of the box.
2) I have enabled subpixel hinting in Ubuntu
3) Can you explain why OpenOffice ignores the settings for (subpixel) hinting?

> 5) http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/options#content
No matter what I set, that settings gives a sort of relative font size. It doesn't solve the problem with small font sizes beeing too large IN COMPARISION TO the large font sizes.

> either you are lying or you are a complete moron
Well, you saw my screenshot. Go to http://mp3.downloads.nl to see where I took it.

Either some people here are lying or they use font size 16 only, or they are completely blind.

HOWTO: Hoary ClearType-like fonts (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20976)
That is supposed to make fonts pretty like on Windows, but look at the results:
Screenshot from Windows: http://home.comcast.net/~ddamian/ubuntu/howto/howto_cleartype_WIN.p...
Screenshot from Linux: http://home.comcast.net/~ddamian/ubuntu/howto/howto_cleartype_UBU.p...
Note how the largest fonts are larger than on Windows, but the smallest fonts are smaller than on Windows?!?!
Also, see how the antialiasing is much more visible on Linux. And this is supposed to AFTER it is fixed.

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Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

Hey, those Ubuntu shots look pretty good! I'd say good enough for the average user.

You're right, the Windows shots are marginally better. But I doubt most people would notice.

Of course, I do still hope Linux can eventually get up to par with Windows. Still, I take a positivist approach and say: so far, so good.

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Invincible Cow Member since:
2006-06-24

> Hey, those Ubuntu shots look pretty good! I'd say good enough for the average user.
> You're right, the Windows shots are marginally better. But I doubt most people would notice.
But is the average user willing to go through a lengthy process just to get a font quality that WORSE than what they're used to? No, I don't think so.

Also, that screenshot is of an Ubuntu forum, so it's obviously well tested with Linux fonts. Most pages doesn't look as good.

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abraxas Member since:
2005-07-07

- Small fonts are mushy (see my screenshot)

Choose a better font then. I don't have a problem with fonts on Linux and haven't for years.

No matter what I set, that settings gives a sort of relative font size. It doesn't solve the problem with small font sizes beeing too large IN COMPARISION TO the large font sizes.

I don't have that problem either. My fonts look correct and in fact render much better than Windows.

Either some people here are lying or they use font size 16 only, or they are completely blind.

My minimum font size is set to 8.

Also, see how the antialiasing is much more visible on Linux. And this is supposed to AFTER it is fixed.

That definitely does look shitty. I'm not sure what instructions you used by they sucked because my fonts look a lot better. Try using Bitstream Fonts, they are of much higher quality than most available fonts.

If you have an LCD display like I do I could send you my fonts.conf file which should make your fonts nice and pretty. I edited mine by hand years ago but now all you should need is the configuration wizard in Gnome or KDE. I setup Fedora Core 5 on a notebook a few months ago and didn't have a problem fixing the fonts. It is not much different from Windows now considering ClearType is disabled by default on most OEM XP machines.

Edited 2007-01-27 17:55

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Finalzone Member since:
2005-07-06

Try using Bitstream Fonts, they are of much higher quality than most available fonts.

Even better, try DejaVu Fonts which is derivated from Bitstream.
http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/

Edited 2007-01-27 22:07

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archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

I shouldn't have to do anything to get readable fonts out of the box.

You don't. You can get OSX-quality fonts by enabling anti-aliasing *and* turning off hinting.

Of course, some people don't like OSX-style fonts, saying they look a bit fuzzy (which I guess is true if your display is in low-resolution mode). I myself much prefer this font rendering style, which produces glyphs that are much closer in shape to their printed version than ClearType does.

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