Linked by Eugenia Loli on Mon 29th Jan 2007 10:03 UTC, submitted by flanque
In the News Adobe Systems today announced that it has released the full PDF (Portable Document Format) 1.7 specification to AIIM, the Association for Information and Image Management. AIIM, in turn, will start working on making PDF an ISO standard.
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RE: PDF is pretty good
by Savior on Mon 29th Jan 2007 12:09 UTC in reply to "PDF is pretty good"
Savior
Member since:
2006-09-02

Whatever you put into a PDF file, you can be sure it will look exactly how you want it to to the person you send it to. Whatever the fonts or characters you have and others don't.

How does it differ from .doc, or any other document format, for that matter? They also look the same -- you can bundle all the fonts you want.

Of course we all know that the sentence above is not true ;) However, it isn't true for PDF either. What you see in Evince is not the same as what you see in Adobe Reader, or in Foxit reader. In the end, it all depends on the reader application (and of course the platform's anti-aliasing algorithm).

When I wanted to send my CV to someone, I didn't know in what format to send it to him: the .doc file looked different in MS Office and OOo, the pdf looked quite different in Windows from that in Linux, so in the end, I had to guess what system he had. I guessed Windows -- and it turned out he had a Mac. ;)

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RE[2]: PDF is pretty good
by dylansmrjones on Mon 29th Jan 2007 12:36 in reply to "RE: PDF is pretty good"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

No. A .doc-file doesn't look the same across different computers. Or more correctly. The formatting of a .doc-file on the screen differs from printer to printer(!). Changing from one printer to another will make text jump back and forth in the document.

This does not happen with PDF.

PDF files renders virtually identical across different platforms with no regard, and this is true for Evince, FoxIt Reader, Adobe PDF Reader etc. What really matters is the application that creates the PDF. Not the reader, for this is actually identical for the human eye.

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RE[3]: PDF is pretty good
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 29th Jan 2007 14:10 in reply to "RE[2]: PDF is pretty good"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

PDF files renders virtually identical across different platforms with no regard, and this is true for Evince, FoxIt Reader, Adobe PDF Reader etc.

You have never truly worked with creating .pdf files, have you? I'm currently working on a large .pdf document for OSNews (you'll see) and I can tell you that it looks ANYTHING but similar on different platforms.

In Evince, the document looks completely different than in Adobe Reader for Linux, and then the document looks again different in Adobe Reader for Windows. It's one big mess.

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RE[2]: PDF is pretty good
by Ford Prefect on Mon 29th Jan 2007 13:08 in reply to "RE: PDF is pretty good"
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2006-01-16

Word documents get corrupted, YES, CORRUPTED, if you have another printer(!) installed, sometimes even if it's just another setting for the same printer. (And btw, I never saw the option to include fonts into the document, whereas PDF cannot only include fonts, but also include only the needed characters of a font)

If you would be in DTP, you would know what I mean. Most times, changes will be only minor ones and they don't catch your eyes. But this is for letters, etc. If your document gets really big, it could be some sentence was first on page 10 and now got to page 11, because there wasn't enough space on page 10 with printer XY.
If you are doing _real_ formatting, like DTP, it will suck even more. Well, Word is not the right program for DTP anyway, but I just wanted to point out the glitches of the format.


PDFs will work the same on every system. Yes, there are bad PDF readers. XPDF _has_ some serious problems. Still, if your reader is good (like Acroread) they _will_ look the same, as much as Postscript files will look the same on every sane postscript printer!

So, getting back to DTP, I can do some DTP work in a DTP program and send it to the printing press as .pdf. IT WILL WORK! Every time!

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RE[3]: PDF is pretty good
by stestagg on Mon 29th Jan 2007 16:44 in reply to "RE[2]: PDF is pretty good"
stestagg Member since:
2006-06-03

IT WILL WORK! Every time!

...Except when it doesn't. I usually send off in PDF and everything is ok, but the last time that I produced anything, the proofs came back with all the non-alphanumeric character scrambled. I'd created the PDF using Corel Draw 11 (hardly an amature product, it was a short booklet) on Windows but the Macs at the printers decided to use a different encoding to read the text.

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