Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 3rd Feb 2007 16:43 UTC, submitted by mwtomlinson
Novell and Ximian The Free Software Foundation is reviewing Novell's right to sell new versions of Linux operating system software after the open-source community criticized Novell for teaming up with Microsoft. "The community of people wants to do anything they can to interfere with this deal and all deals like it. They have every reason to be deeply concerned that this is the beginning of a significant patent aggression by Microsoft," Eben Moglen, the Foundation's general counsel, said on Friday. Update: The FSF claims this is being hyped.
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Self Defeating
by jwwf on Sat 3rd Feb 2007 17:38 UTC
jwwf
Member since:
2006-01-19

This is ridiculous. If you are trying to convince enterprise customers that Linux is a safe choice over Solaris or HP-UX for a $250,000 installation, telling one of the only two enterprise vendors that they are "banned" from continuing their product line due to ideology and 'license issues' is really going to help.

Also, if having only two vendors to choose from is fun, having only one should be even more fun! Remember, if your software is certified only on RHEL and Novell, you're not using anything else if you want support.

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RE: Self Defeating
by KenJackson on Sat 3rd Feb 2007 18:05 in reply to "Self Defeating"
KenJackson Member since:
2005-07-18

only two enterprise vendors

Huh?? There are a bunch of good reliable GNU/Linux distributions. I know that Mandriva, http://www.mandriva.com/en/enterprise/, and CentOS, http://centos.org/, also support enterprise distributions and I'm sure other do.

If there are only two certification programs and there is a demand for more, I'm sure someone will step up and provide that service in this most excellent free market.

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RE[2]: Self Defeating
by t4inted on Sat 3rd Feb 2007 18:16 in reply to "RE: Self Defeating"
t4inted Member since:
2006-11-24

FFS get real!
Of course there are other distributions, but enterprises don't care. They buy software, from large enterprises. NO company I ever worked for would even consider to user some "voodoo community Linux". Sure, you and me, we know CentOS is 99% Redhat, but this doesn't matter to them. If an enterprise is going for some computer investment they want it protected by some entity they can blame if stuff breaks.

And mandriva ... well, enterprise is basically RedHat and Suse, other are not yet known and trusted enough.

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RE[2]: Self Defeating
by jwwf on Sat 3rd Feb 2007 18:53 in reply to "RE: Self Defeating"
jwwf Member since:
2006-01-19

Huh?? There are a bunch of good reliable GNU/Linux distributions. I know that Mandriva, http://www.mandriva.com/en/enterprise/, and CentOS, http://centos.org/, also support enterprise distributions and I'm sure other do.

If there are only two certification programs and there is a demand for more, I'm sure someone will step up and provide that service in this most excellent free market.


You are completely missing the point. It's true that there are other good Linux distributions. It's true that distros like CentOS "support" enterprise software in the sense that it will usually run. Heck, I use and like Ubuntu. But...

If you buy a license for a software package like Oracle or VxVM that costs as much as a car or a house, you also buy a support contract. And that contract is useless unless you install said software on a distro that is supported by the application vendor. If they release a patch that makes the sw stop working on your unsupported distro, too bad. If their techs are busy and don't feel like helping with your unsupported distro, too bad.

As of now, there are only two Linux vendors that are generally validated for by app vendors, RHEL and Novell. If someone else "steps up" and "supports" Oracle on Ubuntu, who cares? Why would you want to save a few grand on the OS, throw away your Oracle support fee, and pay someone else an additional fee?

The best I have seen lately is IBM says Ubuntu 6.06 is "Validated" for DB2 but not "Recommended". Big deal.

I wish it wasn't so. It is.

Edit: fixed goofy italics screw up.

Edited 2007-02-03 18:54

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RE: Self Defeating
by elsewhere on Sat 3rd Feb 2007 19:17 in reply to "Self Defeating"
elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

Also, if having only two vendors to choose from is fun, having only one should be even more fun! Remember, if your software is certified only on RHEL and Novell, you're not using anything else if you want support.

Until, that is, Microsoft decides to announce that as part of their existing agreement with Red Hat/JBoss, they're extending equal patent protection to RHEL customers. Red Hat will, of course, claim that the existing agreement in no way was intended to provide patent indemnity for GPL products, but that doesn't matter any more than it did when Novell made the same claims.

Then Microsoft can have more fun by claiming that their patent cross-licensing agreements with IBM will extend to patent protection for IBM's linux customers. IBM can claim that they don't support any such assertion, but as we've seen, that's irrelevant.

I'm really interested in seeing just how the FSF thinks they're going to pull off such a restrictive licensing clause and actually make it enforceable.

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