Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 3rd Feb 2007 16:43 UTC, submitted by mwtomlinson
Novell and Ximian The Free Software Foundation is reviewing Novell's right to sell new versions of Linux operating system software after the open-source community criticized Novell for teaming up with Microsoft. "The community of people wants to do anything they can to interfere with this deal and all deals like it. They have every reason to be deeply concerned that this is the beginning of a significant patent aggression by Microsoft," Eben Moglen, the Foundation's general counsel, said on Friday. Update: The FSF claims this is being hyped.
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RE[4]: So sad
by pandronic on Sat 3rd Feb 2007 21:21 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: So sad"
pandronic
Member since:
2006-05-18

Well gee, I can do all that on my Linux machine, and the fonts and themese I have on it look better than most Windows machines I see.

Well gee, so have I ... three days and a lot of goggling later. But still my remote control doesn't work, Macromedia Flash kind of runs in Wine, my PPPoE connection doesn't disconnect by itself ... well most of the time, Banshee crashes when I play something, so I'm runing Exaile and I could go on. Everything ... kind of works.

I'm not trying to make Linux look bad, all I'm saying is that the community shouldn't dismiss companies that pour money into Linux development, and shouldn't put their view of freedom over functionality at all cost.

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RE[5]: So sad
by twenex on Sat 3rd Feb 2007 21:38 in reply to "RE[4]: So sad"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

Well gee, so have I ... three days and a lot of goggling later. But still my remote control doesn't work, Macromedia Flash kind of runs in Wine, my PPPoE connection doesn't disconnect by itself ... well most of the time, Banshee crashes when I play something, so I'm runing Exaile and I could go on. Everything ... kind of works.

I wonder what distribution you are running. My first thought would be Gentoo, because it takes time to set up, but then it does have a disclaimer on it saying don't use this if you don't want to do things manually. And it also doesn't break like you describe.

Macromedia Flash might "kind of run" in Wine, but it DEFINITELY runs in Firefox. I find Amarok the best Linux music player - heck, no, I've never used any Mac music player, but unless they're even better, then it's probably the best damn music player in the biz.

In my experience your "everything...kind of works" comment is best suited for Windows, except for newer versions, when it will only "kind of work" if, in addition to taking your money, the media company you bought that shiny new DVD off feels in a good enough mood to let you use it today, too.

I'm not trying to make Linux look bad, all I'm saying is that the community shouldn't dismiss companies that pour money into Linux development, and shouldn't put their view of freedom over functionality at all cost.

The idea that "the linux community dismisses companies that pour money into linux development" is just FUD. What they dismiss is companies that try to syphon Linux off to use for their own needs without giving back. I think it's down to a basic lack of confidence. Microsoft make sure you keep purchasing Word by making sure only Word can understand successive gratuitously-changed versions of the .doc format (and sometimes they even forget about old versions). Hovis didn't become the leading bread company in the United Kingdom by forcing you to buy a Hovis toaster if you want toast and Hovis butter if you don't want your toast dry; they did it by making damned good bread.

Oh yes, and the "in Windows, all software works" argument: That's only been true in the last few years. Unless Vista is the complete flop reviews suggest it should be - which given Microsoft's titanium grip on the OEM market it's unlikely to be - that's not going to be true for Windows software soon anymore anyway. Soon there will be "XP" versions and "Vista versions", just like there used to be Win9x versions and other versions.

I'm not trying to make Linux look bad, all I'm saying is that the community shouldn't dismiss companies that pour money into Linux development, and shouldn't put their view of freedom over functionality at all cost.

As Ben Franklin might have said if he were a software writer, "those who would sacrifice essential liberty to gain temporary functionality, deserve neither liberty nor functionality".

Edited 2007-02-03 21:42

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RE[6]: So sad
by pandronic on Sat 3rd Feb 2007 22:12 in reply to "RE[5]: So sad"
pandronic Member since:
2006-05-18

This kind of discussions are like pissing in the wind ...

And BTW I don't think that Macromedia Flash (you know, the authoring tool, not the player - there is a slight difference) works in Firefox.

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RE[5]: So sad
by Coxy on Sun 4th Feb 2007 20:42 in reply to "RE[4]: So sad"
Coxy Member since:
2006-07-01

This has been my experience of Linux too. I see it's generated the usual responses here: 'My distro works fine, it must be something your doing wrong...' ;-)

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RE[6]: So sad
by cyclops on Sun 4th Feb 2007 21:19 in reply to "RE[5]: So sad"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

Off topic
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"This has been my experience of Linux too. I see it's generated the usual responses here: 'My distro works fine, it must be something your doing wrong...' ;-)"

The differences, by the very nature of a distribution, are minor. The real difference is in the support and how the support is delivered.

The reality is in computing *most* of the time if you have a problem *you* are doing something wrong. It is possible one distribution contains never versions of the software...or is set to *better* defaults.

The solution to the problem is often a *polite* post in the forum; chat on irc; or a phone call away....thats without *paid* support being available from certain vendors.

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