Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 13th Feb 2007 21:28 UTC, submitted by Moochman
General Development After helping develop the Xerox Alto's Bravo word processor and leading Microsoft Office development for years, Charles Simonyi left Microsoft in 2002 to found his own company, Intentional Software. His company's novel goal: to ease software-development headaches by abstracting the software's requirements away from the code itself, similar to the way that WYSIWYG word processors abstract the document from the formatting tags that underlie it. "Software as we know it is the bottleneck on the digital horn of plenty," he says. "It takes up tremendous resources in talent and time. It's disappointing and hard to change. It blocks innovation in many organizations." Code should be abstracted into models that are easier for end customers to visualize and to modify, he argues. This article, written by Dreaming in Code author Scott Rosenberg, provides an overview of Simonyi's life, ideas, and current initiatives.
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Not realistic
by supersteve1440 on Wed 14th Feb 2007 00:04 UTC
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2006-12-31

"Code should be ... easier for end customers to visualize and to modify."
I'm not so sure that's a good idea.

See Stroustrup's comments:
"The idea of programming as a semiskilled task, practiced by people with a few months' training, is dangerous. We wouldn't tolerate plumbers or accountants that poorly educated. We don't have as an aim that architecture (of buildings) and engineering (of bridges and trains) should become more accessible to people with progressively less training. Indeed, one serious problem is that currently, too many software developers are undereducated and undertrained."
http://www.techreview.com/Infotech/17868/page2/

RE: Not realistic
by b3timmons on Wed 14th Feb 2007 01:08 in reply to "Not realistic"
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2006-08-26

While Stroustrup's comments are consistent with the high barriers of his baroque creation, C++, in the big picture programming is too important to be reserved for a narrow elite. The diversity of programming languages, the fun that people of all ages can experience programming, and the unique notion of manipulating a universal tool that is a computer -- these are but a few points at odds with his vision.

The danger that Stroustrup claims varies wildly across the enormous and growing variety of contexts involving programming. E.g., if so many office workers are allowed to do word processing, why should they not be allowed to program in the appropriate context? I recall that spreadsheet manipulation may be considered to be most prevalent form of programming. Of course, we can imagine far more than these trivial scenarios, especially given a more progressive education system.

Edited 2007-02-14 01:23

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RE[2]: Not realistic
by PowerMacX on Wed 14th Feb 2007 01:37 in reply to "RE: Not realistic"
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2005-11-06

"The danger that Stroustrup claims varies wildly across the enormous variety of contexts to which it may be applied. E.g., if so many office workers are allowed to do word processing, why should they not be allowed to program?"

Well, believe it or not even that seemingly harmless programing can become a huge problem.
I know far to many business that handle a lot of task with "hacked" Excel spreadsheets, with poorly put together macros done by employees with zero prior programming experience (and who didn't want the responsibility but didn't have a choice).
The result? Hundreds of hours lost each year because of a combination of macros failing in edge cases, "minor" modifications done "just for this month's report" that become permanent, incomplete workflows involving several manual steps that can easily be done wrong, and a long number of etc.

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RE: Not realistic
by John Nilsson on Wed 14th Feb 2007 02:33 in reply to "Not realistic"
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2005-07-06

Well 'porcleain' could very well be developed and modified by end users, as long as the actual plumbing is produced by real engineers, and the pipe designs by real scientists, and everyting orchestrated by real system architects.

There's room for all.

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RE: Not realistic
by Moochman on Wed 14th Feb 2007 06:12 in reply to "Not realistic"
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2005-07-06

Simonyi's idea doesn't call for throwing out the programmer with the bathwater ;) ... It would just make it easier for that programmer to modify their software on the spot and show the customer the results.

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RE: Not realistic
by Moochman on Wed 14th Feb 2007 06:49 in reply to "Not realistic"
Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

Here's another response to Stroustrup, written by "ssargent" in the comments section of the Stroustrup article:

BS has answered many criticisms of C++ simply by saying that most people shouldn't use it. It designed for maximum freedom and expression and requires specialized skill to operate. I agree, we need languages that offer specialized abilities for special programmers. But where I take issue is where BS claims that we have highly specialized and skilled people as bankers and lawyers and what not. Likewise, we need skilled programmers and that amateurs should not program. Seems like a bad idea according to his own principle and argument:
For someone who is most specialized at finance or law, time spent learning how to be a specialist at programming trades off with their ability to learn how to be specialist in finance or law. Likewise, the specialist in programming may not know all the nuances of finance and may not create the perfect program for the financial specialist. If the laity could program, so could those overspecialized in other areas. They could create applications custom tailored to their specialized knowledge in the field that goes beyond the functions of a multi-purpose one size fits all program. But this would be vision of the user knowing best what the user wants instead of the specialist programmer...seems like there should be some room for both. Hopefully Simonyi in "anything you can do, I can do meta" will help create that meeting place.


Couldn't have said it better myself.

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