Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 10th Jul 2005 12:01 UTC
Microsoft Microsoft surprised many of the attendees at its annual worldwide partner show here this weekend by allowing a third party to present a "hands-on lab" that allowed attendees to play with a range of Linux desktop software. Is Microsoft toning down on its anti-Linux campaign?
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RE[2]: somebody
by rayiner on Sun 10th Jul 2005 19:12 UTC in reply to "RE: somebody"
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2005-07-06

What exactly are they going to Google for??? I'm hardly a newbie computer user and I've never even heard of codec packs, or this nemo thing! I always go and download DivX, Xvid, RealPlayer, and QuickTime individually. Are you seriously arguing that this nemo thing is more obvious for users to understand than starting up a graphical package manager like Synaptic?

The basic thing is, no matter what OS you're on, the user will have to have some understanding of packages. Windows users will have to know about installer files (which really isn't something obvious), while Linux users will have to know about package files. So when they see "Synaptic Package Manager" in their desktop menu, well, it couldn't really be more obvious how to install new packages. Meanwhile, for Windows, they've either got to download a whole bunch of codecs by hand, or have some dork tell them about this "nemo" thing...

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RE[3]: somebody
by on Sun 10th Jul 2005 19:21 in reply to "RE[2]: somebody"
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Of course, that's absolutely my point. One is not necessarily easier than the other. My saying is go with whatever works for you, not bash the other because it is different or what you don't particularly care for. I myself, use OSX, linux and windows, and I still find windows method of package management both easier and packages more readily available by sheer popularity and support.

Meanwhile, for Windows, they've either got to download a whole bunch of codecs by hand, or have some dork tell them about this "nemo" thing...

Now, see what I mean? What the heck was that "dork" comment all about? For the mis/uninformed: Codec packs are installer packages which include virtually all the codecs you'll ever need to watch anything, just about. They make it particularly easier than having to hunt down each and every codec there is most of the time. example here: http://www.divx-digest.com/software/tsunami_pack.html

My goodness, many of you hardcore linux guys need to chill.

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RE[4]: somebody
by Celerate on Sun 10th Jul 2005 19:39 in reply to "RE[3]: somebody"
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2005-06-29

"My goodness, many of you hardcore linux guys need to chill."

You must be skim reading, you've missed the fact that there is was lot of tension flying around before he said that. Everytime Windows or Linux is mentioned on this site there are arguments, it all goes so far back I don't think anyone even remembers how it started.

Lets not single out one group, it takes two to fight.

BTW. I do resent the fact that you said "hardcore linux guys" instead of addressing the original author by name, as I've already said that's no better than racial profiling (ex: "oh you use the same OS as him, you must be just like him...").

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RE[4]: somebody
by ma_d on Sun 10th Jul 2005 21:08 in reply to "RE[3]: somebody"
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2005-06-29

So do you prefer installshield or Microsoft's installer?

I get annoyed by some apps, not even spyware, that have broken uninstallers. That really irritates me sometimes.

I don't see how you can not like the Mac installer. It doesn't have one! You drag it there and delete it to remove it: It's a folder! The only problem I have with it is that it lacks good CLI integration.

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RE[3]: somebody
by netpython on Sun 10th Jul 2005 19:25 in reply to "RE[2]: somebody"
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2005-07-06

What exactly are they going to Google for??? I'm hardly a newbie computer user and I've never even heard of codec packs, or this nemo thing! I always go and download DivX, Xvid, RealPlayer, and QuickTime individually.

They are like gordian knot codec pack mostly needed to perform some advanced tasks with audio and or video streams.Great site to get some background knowledge:

http://www.doom9.org/


The basic thing is, no matter what OS you're on, the user will have to have some understanding of packages

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RE[4]: somebody
by somebody on Sun 10th Jul 2005 19:30 in reply to "RE[3]: somebody"
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2005-07-07

He's being sarcastic not without knowledge:)

Besides doom9.org for video and audio codec information? How do you expect some grandma is gonna know that? Ok, now I was the sarcastic one:)

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RE[3]: somebody
by somebody on Sun 10th Jul 2005 19:25 in reply to "RE[2]: somebody"
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2005-07-07

The basic thing is, no matter what OS you're on, the user will have to have some understanding of packages. Windows users will have to know about installer files (which really isn't something obvious), while Linux users will have to know about package files. So when they see "Synaptic Package Manager" in their desktop menu, well, it couldn't really be more obvious how to install new packages. Meanwhile, for Windows, they've either got to download a whole bunch of codecs by hand, or have some dork tell them about this "nemo" thing...

Exactly

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RE[3]: somebody
by Hugo on Sun 10th Jul 2005 19:26 in reply to "RE[2]: somebody"
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2005-07-06

"I always go and download DivX, Xvid, RealPlayer, and QuickTime individually."

ffdshow, and the thing is, that any player can use the codec, not just mplayer, abstraction is a good thing.
http://m17n.cool.ne.jp/freeware/mpc/

Supose you have two codecs that do the same thing (divx, xvid, libavcodec etc), does synaptic ask during install wick one you want to use? Does synaptic or mplayer present you with decoding/encoding options? -> http://www.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/FFDShow-MPEG-Video-Decoder...

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RE[4]: somebody
by on Sun 10th Jul 2005 20:03 in reply to "RE[3]: somebody"
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Feh, ffdshow messed me up...I installed it on a recommendation, and didn't like the system tray controls. I uninstalled it and now my BSplayer is fubarred when I play certain mpg files with it.

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