Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 14th Feb 2007 18:58 UTC, submitted by WillM
Microsoft Microsoft is accusing rival IBM of orchestrating a campaign to block efforts to standardize Office document formats. In an open letter released Wednesday, Microsoft executives contend that IBM is trying to influence the standards process to limit choice. It also said that IBM is encouraging governments to mandate a document format that IBM favors. Pot, kettle, something.
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by systyrant on Wed 14th Feb 2007 21:08 UTC
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2007-01-18

Microsoft is planning on relinquishing all control of OOXML to some third organization that makes it possible for all people to contribute to the future of OOXML? No.

Of course the whole idea that Microsoft works toward a truly free form of sharing document is absurd at the moment. It doesn't fit with their business model or methodologies. If you aren't locked into their document format then you aren't locked into their product.

Heaven forbid that WordPerfect could someday easily interchange document with Word. Or even worse that OpenOffice could.

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RE: So...
by kaiwai on Thu 15th Feb 2007 03:27 in reply to "So..."
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Why the hell would Microsoft be scared of OpenOffice/Wordperfect/Smartsuite?

IBM has given up on Smartsuite, Wordperfect is limping along being pushed with minimal investment by a company who seems to have gone down the cheap-shareware, bargin basement software market, and the remaining one is OpenOffice.org which is a slow and bloated piece of crap which lacks the features I want in an Office suite.

Heck, that doesn't even start to cover the share ugliness of using OpenOffice.org when compared to Office 2007 Pro; the interface of OpenOffice.org is hideous, the documentation is attrocious in regards to how to get things working.

To say that you can easily replace Microsoft Office with OpenOffice.org by simply dropping it in, without any problems, quite frankly, either you delusional or the organisations you have worked for are so small the number of employees could all fit into a telephone booth with enough room for a BBQ, DJ mixing table and a disco ball.

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by gustl on Thu 15th Feb 2007 13:12 in reply to "RE: So..."
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2006-01-19

MS is scared of OOo because it's price is zero, and it is the WYSIWYG Office which can handle the largest documents.

I agree with you, that the user interface could be clearer, but their user interface tries to mimic the MSOffice 200-2003 interface. No wonder it is as horrible.

Switching someone who can be satisfied with the features OOo offers over from MS Office is an easy task. 2 hours of upgrade training should do the trick, just focus on the rare differences (like styles).

I don't know which features of MS Office you use that are not available in OOo, but if you really need them, MS Office is obviously the right choice for you. You are one of those 10% of MS Office users who must stay with MS Office.

Nevertheless it would have been nice from MS to also use the ODF format to let people communicate office documents more easily.

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by twenex on Thu 15th Feb 2007 15:01 in reply to "RE: So..."
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2006-04-21

Heck, that doesn't even start to cover the share ugliness of using OpenOffice.org when compared to Office 2007 Pro;

Which has a completely new interface compared to both MS Office, and OpenOffice, which chose its interface specifically on the grounds that people were used to MS Office.

And why do the people who keep insisting that they need MS Office for the one or six gazillion functions that OO.org supposedly lacks never name those features?

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by systyrant on Thu 15th Feb 2007 16:24 in reply to "RE: So..."
systyrant Member since:
2007-01-18

You apparently read a lot more into what I wrote than was actually there.

"Why the hell would Microsoft be scared of OpenOffice/Wordperfect/Smartsuite?"

Because if we have a universal and open document format then people won't have to use Word. Not everybody who uses Microsoft Office really needs to, but because of the document format it makes it better for those who have to interchange documents.

"IBM has given up on Smartsuite, Wordperfect is limping along being pushed with minimal investment by a company who seems to have gone down the cheap-shareware, bargin basement software market, and the remaining one is OpenOffice.org which is a slow and bloated piece of crap which lacks the features I want in an Office suite."

I won't disagree a bit with most of what you said there. For you Microsoft Office maybe the best choice, but that doesn't make it the best choice for everybody. Some would rather use WordPerfect and some would rather use OpenOffice. If all office suites used a single unified open format then that choice wouldn't be so hard to make and would squarely put the focus back on making the best damn office suite available. And yes I still think Microsoft would rule the roost.

"Heck, that doesn't even start to cover the share ugliness of using OpenOffice.org when compared to Office 2007 Pro; the interface of OpenOffice.org is hideous, the documentation is attrocious in regards to how to get things working."

Your opinion. Not everybody likes the way the new Office 2007 looks. Some might think it's hideous.

"To say that you can easily replace Microsoft Office with OpenOffice.org by simply dropping it in, without any problems, quite frankly, either you delusional or the organisations you have worked for are so small the number of employees could all fit into a telephone booth with enough room for a BBQ, DJ mixing table and a disco ball."

I never said that. And you were either really frustrated by what I said or you suck as writing. Doesn't IE at least have spell checking?

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by Jezza on Thu 15th Feb 2007 06:57 in reply to "So..."
Jezza Member since:
2005-10-13

I don't think it's about the open interchange of documents between software suites. I have always had the suspicion that the whole point of ooxml was that a document would be able to be made in OOo and opened in Word and would display correctly. Where there would be a fundamental binary incomaptability or something that meant that files made with Word would simply not show correctly on OOo, for example.

It is the only reason I can think that MS would do this.

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