Linked by John Mills on Tue 13th Feb 2007 21:49 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu "The Ubuntu Technical Board has made two technical decisions of which we would like to inform the Ubuntu community. Both of these decisions concern the upcoming 7.04 release of Ubuntu, scheduled for mid-April." Ubuntu 7.04 will not activate binary video drivers by default, essentially meaning nothing will change from the previous releases. The second change is a major blow to the PowerPC architecture and thus owners of Apple PPC hardware: "The PowerPC edition of Ubuntu will be reclassified as unofficial. The PowerPC software itself and supporting infrastructure will continue to be available, and supported by a community team." Translation: Ubuntu PPC can shake hands with the dodo.
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archiesteel
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2005-07-02

I disagree, I find the BSD idea of, "one problem, one tool, one way to solve it," is better than, "one problem, a dozen tools and as many ways to solve it." [...] Having the GTK/qt nonsense is bad enough, there should be a singular toolkit, but the number of Desktop Environments is too high, and it's even worse with Window Managers.

I'm sorry, but as far as I know the BSDs use both Gnome and KDE as well.

As for having a single toolkit, no major OSes does: not Linux, not Windows, not OS X, not the BSDs.

Efficiency is *not* always desirable. Yes, there is less waste, but it is also less creative. For things to evolve, it doesn't hurt to have a bit of chaos.

The problem is that you *can't* prevent people from making their own (sometimes redundant) projects, and sometimes the competition actually produces *better* results. So instead of criticizing something that *won't* change, I think it's more constructive to see the good sides of it...

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stestagg Member since:
2006-06-03

Yeah. If a major new feature shows up in KDE, you can bet that it'll be released in Gnome sooner or later. Likewise, Gnome features will be ported to KDE. So the two projects will feed off each other and increase the development rate compared to having only one project. Of course, there's always a counter-argument.

The issue is summed up rather well at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competition#Consequences_of_competitio...

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Janizary Member since:
2006-03-12

No, they don't. The three major, and thus to date only ones that matter, BSD-derived operating systems all use no Desktop Environment nor Window Manager. They have ports, and ports let people install whatever random crap the user wants.

The closest thing to BSD using GNOME or KDE is PC-BSD, a distribution of FreeBSD that tries to be as Linux-like as possible, running KDE and using a shitty package system it made on it's own. Or I suppose OpenBSD's usage of FVWM if someone installs X.org.

I could care less what people do on their own, but calling the anarchodevelopment system pragmatic is silly, they're very much polar to one another. It's people's choice to develop what they will, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing. Competition does drive production, but so does drive itself. If something simply has focus and goals it develops just fine, there is no need to have competition if there is an actual foucs on improvement.

If efficiency isn't desired, that's fine for you, but in the end efficiency is one of the things at the core of any programmer's goals. There are efficiency, cleanness, security, portability and a few others, throwing away one of the core precepts that are drilled into a programmer's head just doesn't work for me.

Edited 2007-02-15 00:27

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archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

The three major, and thus to date only ones that matter, BSD-derived operating systems all use no Desktop Environment nor Window Manager. They have ports, and ports let people install whatever random crap the user wants.

Whether you have to install them separately or not is irrelevant - the fact that you can means that, if you want to use BSD as a desktop, you still don't have a default DE/WM. That was my point.

I could care less what people do on their own, but calling the anarchodevelopment system pragmatic is silly, they're very much polar to one another.

I disagree. Pragmatism is very much a part of it. The main definition of pragmatic is "dealing or concerned with facts or actual occurrences; practical." I don't see how that is incompatible with the chaotic development model.

If efficiency isn't desired, that's fine for you, but in the end efficiency is one of the things at the core of any programmer's goals. There are efficiency, cleanness, security, portability and a few others, throwing away one of the core precepts that are drilled into a programmer's head just doesn't work for me.

Efficiency doesn't prevent project duplication, simply because people will not always agree. I don't use Enlightenment, but I'm happy it exists, because those who develop it are trying something new.

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