Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 17th Feb 2007 18:59 UTC, submitted by elsewhere
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y "Some bad blood between Linus Torvalds and GNOME developers is flaring up again. Previously, Torvalds has said that Linux users should switch to KDE instead of GNOME because of the GNOME team's 'users are idiots' mentality. Now he has 'put his money where his mouth is' by submitting patches to GNOME in order to have it behave as he likes. This week, on the Linux Foundation's (formerly OSDL) Desktop Architects mailing list, the two sides are going mano a mano." Can I interest you in a pair of these and these?
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RE: Linus
by bubbayank on Sat 17th Feb 2007 20:08 UTC in reply to "Linus"
bubbayank
Member since:
2005-07-15

And KDE is for hackers?

I always thought KDE was for people that really liked windows but didn't want to pay for it.

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I like KDE
by diegocg on Sat 17th Feb 2007 20:26 in reply to "RE: Linus"
diegocg Member since:
2005-07-08

Some of us use KDE because we want to get a desktop that is not stuck in the early 90's. Like, fe., a thumbnail view in the open dialog that can even show thumbnails of videos.

Gnome not only doesn't show video thumbnails in the open dialog, it doesn't even have a thumbnail view. You're forced to use this completely stupid and user-unfriendly "select a file in order to preview it" method. With gnome you're stuck with a vertical list view that doesn't even allows to order files by *size*

Yes, KDE is not the most usable desktop, but you know, at least has the basic functionality to compete with 00's desktops.

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RE: I like KDE
by Lousewort on Sun 18th Feb 2007 10:10 in reply to "I like KDE"
Lousewort Member since:
2006-09-12

Gnome not only doesn't show video thumbnails in the open dialog, it doesn't even have a thumbnail view. You're forced to use this completely stupid and user-unfriendly "select a file in order to preview it" method. With gnome you're stuck with a vertical list view that doesn't even allows to order files by *size*

This is misinformation. I really don't know when last you actually took the time to look at Nautilus, but I can assure you that KDE's file manager view sucks eggs in comparison. How does a comment like this get modded up to 5?

This whole discussion seems to be more about the KDE desktop manager Vs. the default Gnome desktop manager- rather than a debate about the various merits or demerits of the opposing application frameworks.

I agree to much of what Linus says on the subject, and yes, he is my hero too. However, it seems to me that too much weight is being given in this discussion to the subjective and biased views of fanboys.

Whether or not a particular app in the Gnome suite is dropped, or another fails to meet the needs of a particular user is hardly an accurate reflection of the goodness of Gnome. As someone said previously, the success and popularity of Ubuntu is a far better (and more objective) measure.

For myself, I cannot ignore the ubiquitous benefits brought by the antialiased Pango fonts, the sterling graphics provided by the Cairo vector graphics library (soon to be used for Firefox rendering as well), The close kernel integration and device transparency provided by DBus/HAL and the most amazing overall user experience brought to us by the Gnome developers.

If it's configurability you're after, simply replace the default window manager with XFCE. If it's KDE apps you need, load both frameworks at startup time. If you really don't like the XFCE file manager (which really sucks IMHO), replace it with Nautilus.

This is Linux, not Windows. You have a choice.

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RE: I like KDE
by dylansmrjones on Sun 18th Feb 2007 13:34 in reply to "I like KDE"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Yes, KDE is not the most usable desktop, but you know, at least has the basic functionality to compete with 00's desktops.

So does Gnome. Personally I don't miss the option of sorting files in size order in the Open File dialogue.

The Open File dialogue is meant to open files, not acting as a file manager.

If you want files in arbitrarily sorted order use Nautilus.

The Open Dialogue in KDE is a disaster UI-wise compared with Gnome. The KDE-open dialogue is a poor ripoff from Windows 95 - almost pixel by pixel copy from Windows 95. Video thumbnails does not make it any better - au contraire!

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RE: I like KDE
by dylansmrjones on Sun 18th Feb 2007 14:24 in reply to "I like KDE"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Hilarious!!

A KDE-troll is modded up to 5 for claiming the old Windows 95-style open dialogue is superior to the Gnome 2 open file dialogue.

And that's despite evidence for the Windows 95-style dialogue to be much slower in use due to lack of bookmarks.

And all of that because of video thumbnails?

*LOL*

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RE[2]: Linus
by ramunas on Sat 17th Feb 2007 21:40 in reply to "RE: Linus"
ramunas Member since:
2005-07-06

I have noticed this too, all my friends which switched from windows tend to use KDE

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RE[2]: Linus
by llanitedave on Sun 18th Feb 2007 03:07 in reply to "RE: Linus"
llanitedave Member since:
2005-07-24

I always thought KDE was for people that really liked windows but didn't want to pay for it.

I came to Linux from Mac OS X, and I still prefer KDE. Yeah, it's a bit cluttered, but it's a logical clutter for the most part, and I DO like the configureability. And I like the K-apps as well.

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