Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 17th Feb 2007 18:59 UTC, submitted by elsewhere
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y "Some bad blood between Linus Torvalds and GNOME developers is flaring up again. Previously, Torvalds has said that Linux users should switch to KDE instead of GNOME because of the GNOME team's 'users are idiots' mentality. Now he has 'put his money where his mouth is' by submitting patches to GNOME in order to have it behave as he likes. This week, on the Linux Foundation's (formerly OSDL) Desktop Architects mailing list, the two sides are going mano a mano." Can I interest you in a pair of these and these?
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RE: Linus != Usabilty Expert
by dylansmrjones on Sat 17th Feb 2007 20:22 UTC in reply to "Linus != Usabilty Expert"
dylansmrjones
Member since:
2005-10-02

But he is a Power User and knows what he is missing.

And you don't have to be a Usability Expert in order to figure out whether or not there could/should be a few extra options.

The Gnome Developers are no more Usability Experts and many Usability Experts know less about IRL use of software and thinks more of themselves than they should.

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RE[2]: Linus != Usabilty Expert
by eelco on Sat 17th Feb 2007 21:02 in reply to "RE: Linus != Usabilty Expert"
eelco Member since:
2005-07-06

Look at the Beryl Settings Manager to see what happens if all options the power users can think of get a place in the configuration screen.

I don't know what it is exactly that Thorvalds has submitted, but it seems he wanted a setting that is quite rare. In that case, i wouldn't mind if the patches don't get accepted. But if they are, then i hope the Gnome-devs will stand firm, and not add this to a mainstream configuration settings window. Use gTweakUI.

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Beryl Settings Manager is not Gnome. Nor is BSM a typical application for a Power User. And gTweakUI is absolutely no better - a true disaster.

The patches from Linus are a little bunch of useful and quite common features available everywhere - but in Gnome (and to some extent also Windows). They are not going to cripple the wonderfully nice and simple layout of Gnome applications.

The Beryl Settings Manager doesn't comply with the Gnome HIG (and that's the problem), but it is perfectly possible to have "advanced" options and still follow the Gnome HIG.

Epiphany is an example of a Gnome application which has been modified to solve some of the problems the excessive feature removal has created. It now has an equivalent of the "Advanced Options"-button in its preferences.

If Gnome should only contain the options the mythical "Average User" could understand, there would be no Administration "panel" - no GUI for starting/stopping services, no panel for Sound Options (Average Joe doesn't understand ALSA/ESD/OSS) and so on.

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RE[2]: Linus != Usabilty Expert
by gmlongo on Sun 18th Feb 2007 17:52 in reply to "RE: Linus != Usabilty Expert"
gmlongo Member since:
2005-07-07

User interfaces are not designed solely for power users. Options added for these types of users will increase code complexity and can confuse the typical user. This is why they need to be examined and only included if it helps make the system better while NOT obfuscating it for the average user.

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