Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 17th Feb 2007 18:45 UTC, submitted by GhePeU
X11, Window Managers David Reveman writes: "I'd like to get all of you updated on the compiz related things discussed at the X developer conference that was held last week. My talk was mainly focused on 'what's next' and how to get desktop compositing in X to the next level." He also discussed the fork: "I had the chance to talk to Quinn Storm from the beryl project during xdevconf. I would have hoped that the current situation with beryl could be improved but it seems like Quinn at least isn't interested in that. However, after talking to Quinn it's very clear to me that the fork was partially motivated by assumptions that were wrong."
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RE: sour grapes?
by cmost on Sat 17th Feb 2007 21:14 UTC in reply to "sour grapes?"
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Before I even read your comment I was thinking the exact same thing - sour grapes!! Like you, I say David hasn't provided much in the way of proof whatsoever to his allegations that Beryl is simply "feeding" off of projects they can't control, or using "temporary solutions and workarounds" which only make Beryl "appear" to work better. His entire attitude towards Quinn and Beryl seems juvenile. Dude, get over yourself!!! Beryl's developers are doing a great job! This is evidenced by the fact that many major distributions that are introducing compositing in their distros are using Beryl, not compiz. I also disliked the way that David was quick to add something nice right after he said something spiteful. I've always found that you have to watch your back around people like that or you might end up with a knife in it.

Edited 2007-02-17 21:16

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RE[2]: sour grapes?
by apoclypse on Sat 17th Feb 2007 21:52 in reply to "RE: sour grapes?"
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First of all, Its not Sour grapes. The fact is that its well known that beryl currently uses a lot of hacks to get things to work in a perceived "better" manner. I'm not going to give you any evidence, I don't have to, thats what Google is for. The evidence is right in his message. Input redirection is just making it into the x server, how is beryl doing this already? They certainly don't have input redirection working properly. There are other things that he mentions in his message that he is currently working on getting the x server patched for atm and here beryl has these "implemented". We all know the amount of work Berly had to to to untie it from that god awful beryl manager, something that shouldn't have happened to begin with. Beryl is a hack, and its full hacks that work but in the long run they are going to have to get rid of these hacks and guess where they are going to get their stuff from then. Yep, they are going to do what they currently do which is take code from Compiz.

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RE[3]: sour grapes?
by cmost on Sat 17th Feb 2007 22:08 in reply to "RE[2]: sour grapes?"
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Whether or not Beryl is using hacks to accomplish some of its effects is irrelevant. What's obviously at issue is the Compiz folks are pissed off about the fork. Now, the fork has moved ahead and fanned out in directions Compiz hasn't yet gone, the compiz devs are making sure they point out every flaw in Beryl while at the same time using stability and "doing it right" as their own excuse for being slow. So what?!? Beryl devs made it clear what they forked that Beryl's purpose for being was to act as a test bed for new plugins and technologies not yet stable enough to make it into Compiz. Obviously this is going to require some workarounds or hacks while stable underlying infrastructure gets put into place in the X server or elsewhere. As long as Beryl ends up with code that works while they clean it up for future releases, who cares if some elements are hackish for the time being. The end user isn't going to see that end of it nor is he likely to care. As for Beryl devs stealing the "fixes" or whatever from Compiz, that's the sort of sour grapes attitude I was referring to. If Compiz doesn't want other developers using their code then don't make it open source. Finally, it's clear that there are Compiz people and Beryl people and that a debate will rage ad nauseum over which is better. Use what you like. I will.

Edited 2007-02-17 22:10

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