Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 19th Feb 2007 16:40 UTC, submitted by dumbkiwi
X11, Window Managers Following on from three earlier articles, here are two more articles highlighting usability features of Beryl; the wheel window switcher and the 'wall' for managing virtual desktops. Videos included, so go on, indulge yourself, boys and girls.
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by Kokopelli on Mon 19th Feb 2007 18:42 UTC in reply to "RE"
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You open a combo box and you can't focus on the list item you want until it's stopped wobbling around like a jelly.

?? That is absolutely not the default. Combo boxes, menus, and notification windows (among others) have never been wobbly by default. If by some case of temporary collective insanity wobbly windows did get set for comboboxes (or menus or...) turning it off is a checkbox away.

You and I may be able to see the spaces between pixels sometimes but other users cannot. The windows are too small to be able to determine which is which by an average user.

So we are better than the masses that use Linux? What masses? Any user who gets that far will be competent and it hardly takes a special skill to recognize windows. (Further I do not think the wall in that demo is at the default settings, but I am not sure.)

The wheel switcher is too quick. No regular user could tell what was happening there.

There we are with that regular user thing. do you think regular users are incompetent? Besides, the wheel switcher moves exactly as quick as you do alt tab or whatever you have it set to. If it goes by too fast.... guess what? Don't hit the keys so fast.

Beryl is nice, but anything but increased usability. Even the Zoom feature wobbles and shoots about too fast. They need to calm it down a bit! ;)

I understand it's all customizable to the n'th - but if the defaults are like this then what's the point.

As I pointed out wobbly is not the default for combo boxes and is easy to completely disable. Wheel is human controlled, and at a guess you do not use Beryl or Compiz.

Good day.

P.S. A more sedate set of defaults (or a set of configs "conservative". "some effects", and "maxo zoom dweebie") might not be a bad idea but the argument you are giving above is fallacious.

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by Kroc on Mon 19th Feb 2007 18:48 in reply to "RE"
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"There we are with that regular user thing. do you think regular users are incompetent?"

I work with regular users every single day. It's the operating system designers that are incompetent.

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by Kokopelli on Mon 19th Feb 2007 18:55 in reply to "RE"
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So you are saying that it is in the operating system designers hands to control the speed at which the user clicks alt tab?

Further shape and color recognition (used to recognize windows with the wall plugin) is hardly an element reserved for the technical elite.

You may disagree with their choices but to call the Beryl devs incompetent is a bit precocious. Inexperienced and perhaps overenthusiastic yes, but hardly incompetent.

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by rajj on Mon 19th Feb 2007 22:53 in reply to "RE"
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I suggest that you put-up or shut-up. Unless you can provide a patch to fix what you perceive as wrong, you have no business calling anyone incompetent.

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