Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 21st Feb 2007 17:00 UTC, submitted by Darkelve
Fedora Core The following letter was received from Eric S. Raymond, who has sent it to a number of Linux-related publications and mailing lists. It is presented verbatim. "After thirteen years as a loyal Red Hat and Fedora user, I reached my limit today, when an attempt to upgrade one package pitched me into a four-hour marathon of dependency chasing, at the end of which an attempt to get around a trivial file conflict rendered my system unusable."
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My Take
by fretinator on Wed 21st Feb 2007 17:27 UTC
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2005-07-06

I have felt for a long time that the Debian package system (and associated tools) does a better job of package dependency management. I, too, gave up on Fedora due to the large amount of things that just don't work. Fedora specialists are quick to tell you the steps necessary to fix whatever the problem is, but I just plain got tired of it. I've seen the same thing with Mandriva (so it's not just community vs. commercial distros). I've gone many months waiting for Mandriva to fix a basic bug in its package update system. Meanwhile, they are releasing new versions.

Sometimes enough is enough. Call me a wussy, call me a whiner, just don't call me!

[takes a deep breath]

Having said all that, I realize nobody's perfect. I just think RPM is seriously broken and need major upgrade/improvement (which previous articles mention Redhat is setting out to do just that).

Really, I wish they would just chuck it and use debian packages. Would it really be that hard?

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RE: My Take
by AdamW on Wed 21st Feb 2007 19:34 in reply to "My Take"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

What basic bug are you talking about?

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RE[2]: My Take
by fretinator on Wed 21st Feb 2007 19:43 in reply to "RE: My Take"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

The Update Notification for my Mandriva 2007 box (Silver Membership). Last I checked it was still broken. Note, however, that updating is not broken, but I don't like having to manually check with my server. I like the notification. This may already be fixed, I haven't checked since early January.

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RE: My Take
by WebDragon on Wed 21st Feb 2007 23:04 in reply to "My Take"
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2007-02-21

<em>I just think RPM is seriously broken and need major upgrade/improvement (which previous articles mention Redhat is setting out to do just that).</em>

You're more than welcome to stop by the #rpm channel on irc.freenode.net and talk with the live and very active developers of rpm to discuss what you think is broken and what they're doing about it.

Paches welcome.

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walterbyrd Member since:
2005-12-31

Thank you for a sane post.

FWIW: I gave on all redhat based distros about 4 years ago for just that reason. I now use debian.

Debian has it's problems also. But, in my opinion, debian's package management is so superior to redhat's that dealing with debian's warts are well worth it.

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