Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 23rd Feb 2007 17:38 UTC, submitted by anonymous
Debian and its clones Last September, some of the Debian Linux distribution's leadership wanted to make sure that Etch, the next version of Debian, arrived on its December 4th due date. Almost two months later, though, according to the February 17th Release Critical Bug Report memo to the Debian Developers Announcement list, there are still 541 release critical bugs.
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da_Chicken
Member since:
2006-01-01

Debian is suffering continuing delays partly because of a slowdown by key developers.

So, who exactly are those key developers that you claim are slowing down their work and how exactly has this alleged slow down delayed the Etch release? You're parroting unproven allegations. Please provide the facts and details to prove your claims.

I find it strange that Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols is so worried about the Etch release when he apparently doesn't even use Debian himself. Why is he so concerned? People should know by now that Debian is only released when the developers think it's ready -- not a minute earlier.

A recent post in the debian-devel-announce mailing list suggests that the Etch release is progressing just fine.
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/02/msg00019.html

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cmost Member since:
2006-07-16

It's no secret that many Debian developers are upset about Dunc Tank. A Google search will make that clear. Further, I doubt anyone will admit to being one of the developers purposely delaying their work. Would you admit it? I doubt it. As for hard facts, they're scarce, but I did read this recently:

"A group of 17 developers, led by well-known Debian maintainer Joerg Jaspert, issued a position statement in October citing its disenchantment with Dunc-Tank. It read, "This whole affair already hurts Debian more than it can ever achieve. It already made a lot of people who have contributed a huge amount of time and work to Debian reduce their work. People left the project, others are orphaning packages...system administration and security work is reduced, and a lot of otherwise silent maintainers simply put off Debian work (to) work on something else."

Please stop acting like a litigator. I'm not wasting time providing names, addresses, dates and times so that my comments seems more credible to people like you. If you want more information, look it up yourself.

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da_Chicken Member since:
2006-01-01

You're missing my point -- which is that there's no rational way to prove that the disagreements concerning the Dunc-Tank project would have contributed to the delay of the Etch release. There are other technical reasons that explain the delay well enough. Don't ask me to look up information that either confirms or refutes this because such information just doesn't exist. This is the reason why I think that people should be careful not to spread these unproven allegations like they were actual facts.

As for the post written by those 17 developers who oppose Dunc-Tank -- yes, I've read it, but that post also lacks cold hard facts concerning the actual effects of their protest. AFAIK, there are more than a thousand Debian developers. Why should the opinions of 17 of them weight more than the opinion of the majority of the DD's? With such a large group of volunteers there are inevitably disagreements every now and then. It's not the end of the world, and it's certainly not the end of Debian. ;-)

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Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

Hey chicken,

http://blogs.turmzimmer.net/2006/12/18#20061211

You will not hear the truth because somethings aren't for everyones ears.

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da_Chicken Member since:
2006-01-01

Uh, the link you provided says this: There are media rumours floating around that "[Etch has] been delayed because some developers have deliberately slowed down their work". This doesn't reflect what I said.

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