Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 27th Feb 2007 22:34 UTC, submitted by dumbkiwi
X11, Window Managers Two more articles on Beryl. The first one is on drag and drop in Beryl: "What does Beryl add to the drag and drop picture? Well, for a start, if you've got a lot of windows open, it's easier to find the target if you can see all the windows at once. Also, if you want to drop a file/text on an application on another desktop, you can do this much more easily. This is a cool little feature that allows you to drag and drop files between applications on the same desktop, or different desktops." The second one is a performance tweak for Beryl.
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RE: Compiz
by dumbkiwi on Wed 28th Feb 2007 01:22 UTC in reply to "Compiz"
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What is the problem here? Compiz is under the GPL, and Beryl has incorporated some of its code into it's plugin. There is nothing in the GPL that requires attribution other than through inclusion of an "appropriate copyright notice", in fact the FSF people get upset when people start requiring attribution greater than that. Notwithstanding that point, one of the very points of using the GPL license is to allow others to use, develop and enhance code for the benefit of all. Beryl is simply exercising the very freedoms that the developers of Compiz gave them by distributing compiz it under the GPL. They should be applauded for pushing development of these technologies, as should the original compiz authors.

Squabbling over attribution in the context of GPL licensed code seems silly to me.

As for the timing of the article, all the dnd stuff has only started working properly for me in the last week or so. Previously, hovering over a window did not deactivate scale, and once that started working, it only handled objects selected from gtk apps, and not kde apps. Now all of that seems to work.

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RE[2]: Compiz
by Daniel Borgmann on Wed 28th Feb 2007 01:46 in reply to "RE: Compiz"
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2005-07-08

Who said anything about a problem? nzjrs (and ghepeu) simply provided additional context to the news item, which I for one appreciate.

The fact that the GPL does not enforce any special attribution doesn't make it less but rather more important that we avoid misunderstandings about original authorship in my opinion.

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RE[2]: Compiz
by nzjrs on Wed 28th Feb 2007 02:07 in reply to "RE: Compiz"
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2006-01-02

@dumbkiwi: You appear to be mistaken.

Firstly, compiz is under multiple licenses, due to its nature (plugin based) and place in the stack (close to the X server, code to flow to/from compiz into X).

Beryl is GPL. This means that fixes in Beryl cannot easily be ported back to compiz. Justify that?

And I wasnt
Squabbling over attribution
I was pointing out another example of the nature of the beryl project (all take and no give, be it code, attribution, or whatever).

Edited 2007-02-28 02:07

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RE[3]: Compiz
by sbenitezb on Wed 28th Feb 2007 16:20 in reply to "RE[2]: Compiz"
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2005-07-22

I was pointing out another example of the nature of the beryl project (all take and no give, be it code, attribution, or whatever).

Take and no give? What's the GPL about then? They are giving Beryl code according to the GPL terms. Get a clue. Besides, author attribution is in the source code, where it belongs and where all other coders usually find author names. Everything else is plain vanity.

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RE[2]: Compiz
by brunocosta on Wed 28th Feb 2007 02:29 in reply to "RE: Compiz"
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2005-08-17

Compiz is licensed under MIT License, Beryl under GPL, so, code can flow from compiz to beryl, not the opposite. By the way -> compiz-core is the way to go, beryl-core is only a piece of ugly and dirty hacks to make everything do blings and dings. (some beryl plugins are cool... i'm talking about core here ;) )

Edit: By the way, show me where at the beryl project website some credit is give to DavidR or Compiz... I couldn't find.. ;)

Edited 2007-02-28 02:31

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RE[3]: Compiz
by dumbkiwi on Wed 28th Feb 2007 03:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Compiz"
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2006-01-02

So because Compiz chose a different license, this is Beryl's fault how? They release their source as required by the GPL. If the Compiz people have chosen a license that prevents its inclusion, that cannot be laid at the doorstep of Beryl. It is difficult in this circumstance to say that Beryl is not giving anything back.

Not that I really care, other than not understanding the animosity you display toward the Beryl project.

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RE[3]: Compiz
by Kokopelli on Wed 28th Feb 2007 04:41 in reply to "RE[2]: Compiz"
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2005-07-06

Edit: By the way, show me where at the beryl project website some credit is give to DavidR or Compiz... I couldn't find.. ;)

How about the homepage? http://beryl-project.org/

"Beryl is a fork of the Compiz project, started by David Reveman of Novell. We continue to port new changes from compiz, and consider them essentially our upstream. Beryl could not have existed were it not for the heavy lifting done both server side by David..."

There are also a couple comments in the blogs to that effect but I figured the homepage qualified.

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