Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 1st Mar 2007 16:04 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes Today, we did a fairly major restructuring of our database categories. Before, we only added one or, in rare cases, two; this time, however, we have added three new categories, and also split one up. Read one for the how and why, and also how you can help in finding misplaced stories.
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When does ReactOS get its own category ?
by frik85 on Thu 1st Mar 2007 19:49 UTC
frik85
Member since:
2006-01-26

When does ReactOS get its own category ?

It's sad and unfair that many other (even minor) operating system got their own category, except ReactOS. The OSNews Team excused that adding new category means a lot of work and is a non-trivial work.
Elsewhere such (trivial) things can be done with a simple SQL query or using a function of the admin backend.

ReactOS is more often mentioned in news than most of other similar operating system projects, so it should deserve its own category as all other competitors have already.

I ReactOS icon had sent to Thom and OSNews general email address, and Thom answered back in summer 2006:
[...] I will keep your .gif in my inbox, in case we need it-- if the 0.3.0 and up releases garner enough attention, you might stand a big chance. [...]

ReactOS 0.3.0 was a success back in sept. 2006, and version 0.3.1 will hit the road in a few days.

Let's hope the best, that ReactOS get what it deserves.

Edited 2007-03-01 19:56

Reply Score: 5

Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

It's sad and unfair that many other (even minor) operating system got their own category, except ReactOS. The OSNews Team excused that adding new category means a lot of work and is a non-trivial work.

What right do you have to come barging in here placing demands on how we should run OUR website?

What would happen if I came into #reactos and demand they implement feature Xyz RIGHT NOW, just because they are adding lots of other features so it can't be much work?

As it stands now, ReactOS will NOT be getting its own category, because I do not see what ReactOS has what MINIX, Visopsys, or whatever other smaller alternative does not have. Syllable and SkyOS got lucky, else they would NOT have had a category either.

Elsewhere such (trivial) things can be done with a simple SQL query or using a function of the admin backend.

Today's additions was well worth a day's work, my friend. You have NO IDEA how tedious it is to sift through our entire database, jotting down story_ids, and then manually changing the database category.

Let's hope the best, that ReactOS get what it deserves.

I don't know if you are part of ReactOS development crew, but if you are, you are REALLY doing ReactOS a disservice here, and I highly doubt ReactOS main devs appreciate what you are doing here.

Reply Parent Score: 1

ionescu007 Member since:
2006-01-27

I really don't see how you can compare ReactOS to Minix or Visopsys. They're alternative UNIX-based operating systems. Syllable and SkyOS are completely different architectures. SkyOS isn't even open source. ReactOS is a Windows XP/2003 clone with more users and news then all those OSs *combined*.

Go on Google Trends and compare ReactOS with even OSes like NetBSD or OpenBSD. You'll find that in some months, queries for ReactOS were *Above* both those 2 very well known BSD derivatives. You'll also notice SkyOS doesn't even get shown anymore after August 2006 (IIRC).

I'm not going to insult you or say the features weren't added and I disagree with the way frik85 put things, but I also respectfully disagree with your decision -- in the end, having 1 category will allow you to be better categorize ROS news, and since there's almost an article a week, I think that would be a good idea.

Best regards,
Alex Ionescu

Reply Parent Score: 5

fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

You have NO IDEA how tedious it is to sift through our entire database, jotting down story_ids, and then manually changing the database category.

Not to raise the ire of a great team, but it should have been as simple as:

Update STORY_TABLE set CAT_ID = NEWID where CAT_ID in (LIST,OF,OLD,IDS)

That assumes a certain level of normalization.

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frik85 Member since:
2006-01-26

First, my comment was not meant to be rude or something like that.
... it was a simple question (plus some background info) which usually would deserve a neutral answer.

What right do you have to come barging in here placing demands on how we should run OUR website?
We deal with it and like constructive criticism as well as ideas and suggestions. Reactos.org offer several ways for our community to take part (forums, mailing lists, irc channels, wiki, etc.).

As it stands now, ReactOS will NOT be getting its own category, because I do not see what ReactOS has what MINIX, Visopsys, or whatever other smaller alternative does not have. Syllable and SkyOS got lucky, else they would NOT have had a category either.

As Alex Ionescu already pointed out, ReactOS is already well known around the world.


You have NO IDEA how tedious it is to sift through our entire database, jotting down story_ids, and then manually changing the database category.
Don't get me wrong, but as a coder that know how to deal with a database, I would simply write a script and/or sql-queries (or use a proper interface) for such tasks.

The longer ReactOS don't has its own category the longer it will take to move all entries in future.

I have saved you a lot of work, as I am forgiving I have simple done the task myself. (see below)

I don't know if you are part of ReactOS development crew, but [...]
I am one of the ReactOS devs and I am additionally admin of the ReactOS website.
But again don't get me wrong, I only want the best for our project, ReactOS.
We had even hear people laughing about that (for us) sad fact ReactOS has not its own category on OSNews but in contrary more news entries than many others.

Hence, feel free to post in the comments here any stories you find that might be in the wrong category, specifically those concerning the new categories created (feel free to just post the story_id). We thank you in advance!


There you go ...

ReactOS news on OSNews - list of all news id's:

178
2053
2532
2711
3159
4006
4246
4396
4790
5184
5299
5469
5691
5795
6011
6118
6242
6780
6869
7175
7515
7688
8266
8830
8941
9324
10250
11627
12036
12464
12874
13073
13450
13467
13510
13750
13937
14911
14932
15175
15306
15489
15576
15644
15673
15687
16499
16534
16592
16637
16705
16716
16834
16888
17144
17146
17236
17396


Best regards,
Klemens Friedl
[edit: added fullname at the end of the comment]

Edited 2007-03-01 21:16

Reply Parent Score: 3

fireball Member since:
2006-07-15

Hi Thom,
this is Aleksey from ReactOS project. Klemens works on RosCMS and reactos.org website. I agree that his way of writing this message, when noone owes anyone, was a bit harsh.

As for features - I'm quite used to people demanding features, it happens every day, and unfortunately can't be stopped - it only increases from day to day.

As for ReactOS & category, well, your comparation really does not make a lot of sense (I take it that you was a bit mad at him when writing the reply ;) ). I asked Klemens to provide a list of news-ids, so that they could be used during article recategorization, if you decide to make a category for ros.

Also, we have a developer who offered to spend a day or two with you in order to fix the situation with the database, so if help is needed - let me know. With time, since osnews.com is growing, even more stuff will be needed to put in, and having this hassle everytime would be pretty much time consuming.

Thanks,
Aleksey Bragin.

Reply Parent Score: 3

fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

Enough, everybody and their mother can complain why their particular OS/Project/Library/Language doesn't get its own category. Talk like that just hurts the item in question, makes it look juvenile. I'll wager this comment wasn't from the ReactOS team, they seem more mature than that.

{EDIT: I lost the wager!]

Edited 2007-03-01 21:08

Reply Parent Score: 2