Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 2nd Mar 2007 21:04 UTC
Novell and Ximian "Novell on Mar. 1 announced preliminary financial results for its 2007 fiscal year first quarter, showing net revenue of USD 230 million. The first quarter's revenue represented a decline of USD 12 million, or about 5 percent, from the prior year's first quarter revenue of USD 242 million. Despite the unexceptional overall results during the first fiscal quarter 2007, however, Novell reported USD 15 million of revenue from Linux Platform Products, up 46 percent year-over-year, and USD 91 million of invoicing, up a whopping 659 percent year-over-year. Linux - make no doubt about it - is Novell's future."
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RE: Business as usual
by porcel on Sat 3rd Mar 2007 14:44 UTC in reply to "Business as usual"
porcel
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2006-01-28

All this gloom and doom is uncalled for. Novell is the only company to offer a corporate desktop worth deploying, easy to support with a tested directory service and a tested groupware server.

Novell's biggest problem is that it hasn't learned that they way to get people to pay for support is to give away the software to enough admins so that they will run it at home and in small scale installations and charge support and customization for the big installations for bigger clients.

But as far as products go, Novell is unmatched in the Linux or directory service space.

Have they made mistakes? Plenty.

1) Getting in bed with Microsoft.

2) Not making KDE their corporate desktop, which would ease development because it rests on a foundation that is easier to support and extend. If I were running a Linux corporate desktop, there is no way in hell that I would be supporting two desktops, although I would support applications from both desktops.

3) Going for .NET and the whole mono enchilada, with the attendant performance and legal issues. Without mono, the deal with Microsoft may have never happened.

Red Hat has a huge first-player advantage in the corporate market, but don't discount Novell. They offer some truly amazing products.

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RE[2]: Business as usual
by kaiwai on Sun 4th Mar 2007 09:43 in reply to "RE: Business as usual"
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2005-07-06

Going for .NET and the whole mono enchilada, with the attendant performance and legal issues. Without mono, the deal with Microsoft may have never happened.

Hmm, the legal issues aren't the big problem; the big problem is the continual payments required to Microsoft from the Linux camp - but the person to blame for bringing dot net to Linux isn't Novell or Ximian; the bringing of dot net to Linux was merely a biproduct of Sun unwilling to opensource Java with its list of lies and excuses as to why they couldn't do it.

If there wasn't the issue with Sun and Java was opensource, the need to bring dot net to Linux would never have existed and Novell would have spent time along with Red Hat creating Java bindings for GNOME based technologies along with making SWT-GTK the default Java widget set for GNOME development.

The irony of the whole thing, Beagle was a port of an existing Java product that was adapted to mono and GNOME - so we would have gotten many of the features we see today except running on some sort of enhanced version of Java which included shared VM and the likes.

Regarding the performance hit of VM based software as bought up in your post; there is nothing wrong with VM based software, its benefits in regards to speeding up software development, improved stability and security - Lotus Notes 8.0 which is in development and based on on the Eclipse framework is an awesome application and definately defuses any 'Java is crap for general purpose applications'.

Java doesn't suck; Swing sucks, and the horse that is constantly beaten by Sun isn't going to correct the situation; SWT-GTK should ultimately be the defacto standard widget kit for Java development IMHO, it integrates well with *NIX GNOME desktop.

One (or a couple) bad experience with Java shouldn't be used as a benchmark as to whether the idea of Java persay is a good framework for GNOME or whether Mono is.

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RE[3]: Business as usual
by Morty on Sun 4th Mar 2007 15:00 in reply to "RE[2]: Business as usual"
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2005-07-06

but the person to blame for bringing dot net to Linux isn't Novell or Ximian; the bringing of dot net to Linux was merely a biproduct of Sun unwilling to opensource Java with its list of lies and excuses as to why they couldn't do it.

If that's the reason, the blame still falls squarely on Ximian. They could afterall have joined efforts with Kaffe, gjc and Classpath creating a free Java regardless of Sun.

At least Java is finally getting a decent GUI toolkit now, combined with becoming GPL perhaps we'll see some good apps coming out of it.

Edited 2007-03-04 15:01

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