Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Mar 2007 22:32 UTC, submitted by twenex
KDE The KDE 4 release team started a discussion about a possible release schedule for KDE 4. Of course nothing is set yet but the topic is now hot and some interesting problems and point of views come up. In other but related news Oxygen hit the mirrors, or better, kdelibs.
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RE: jumping the gun?
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 8th Mar 2007 06:04 UTC in reply to "jumping the gun?"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

it borders on poor form to start bringing this onto "news" sites when the release team hasn't even had a chance to bring it to the kde developer community at large themselves.

Aaron,

You are an open project, with open mailing lists and open discussion. One of the side effects of this is that everyone will be able to follow the decision making process-- whether you like it or not. If you want this process to not reach the people interested, then close this process, and discuss something like this internaly.

I have a duty to report on matters like this. OSNews readers (and I) are interested in KDE4/KDE 4.0, and so we want to know things like this.

I'm still fairly sure we won't see KDE 4.0 in 2007. I've read through the thread, and it doesn't seem that I am going to be wrong ;) .

Anyway, keep up the good work with KDE, and I *really* hope KDE4 will be every bit you guys are hoping it will be.

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RE[2]: jumping the gun?
by smitty on Thu 8th Mar 2007 06:38 in reply to "RE: jumping the gun?"
smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

I usually agree with what Aaron has to say, but I have to back you up on this one. It would be irresponsible of you to say that a schedule is out and then start complaining when stuff is changed, but you make it quite clear this is just a discussion about when it could be released. That's newsworthy IMO and if KDE didn't want it getting out they shouldn't have put this discussion on a public site.

I'm still fairly sure we won't see KDE 4.0 in 2007
I'm still thinking Dec. '07, but it sounds like some of the apps might not be ready until 2008.

RE: Debian vs CC license:
WTF?

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RE[3]: jumping the gun?
by aseigo on Thu 8th Mar 2007 06:52 in reply to "RE[2]: jumping the gun?"
aseigo Member since:
2005-07-06

> It would be irresponsible of you to say that a
> schedule is out and then start complaining when
> stuff is changed

erm, yes, except that's not what has happened.

> but you make it quite clear this is just a
> discussion about when it could be released.

indeed; not one that one that needed to be posted on a "news" site, however. it's a little like saying "well, you were discussing it on the sidewalk in front of your house, so i think it is fit to print." that's crappy journalism, and worse: it's irresponsible community behaviour.

hey, if you want the community to be insular and closed, by all means .. i don't, but you're not helping.

> they shouldn't have put this discussion on a public
> site

we didn't. it was on a mailing list. a subscriber decided to blog about it. would you also prefer that we had all these discussions behind closed doors? do you think that is seriously more healthy for the actually involved community? (versus the people who casually read sites such as osnews?)

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RE[2]: jumping the gun?
by aseigo on Thu 8th Mar 2007 06:48 in reply to "RE: jumping the gun?"
aseigo Member since:
2005-07-06

> You are an open project, with open mailing lists
> and open discussion. One of the side effects of
> this is that everyone will be able to follow the
> decision making process-- whether you like it or
> not. If you want this process to not reach the
> people interested, then close this process, and
> discuss something like this internaly.

amazingly, i think that is precisely what *i* said.

what you are missing is that you are part of the decision making process. which would would you prefer? please, tell me. and then once you've told me (hint: open) then explain to me how your behaviour is helping make that happen (hint: it isn't). see the problem? if you don't, think about it until you do.

here's my suggestion: take responsibility . it was your action, not ours, to post this. to toss your actions off as the result of our desire to not be closed off, when that is exactly what you and others like you railed against with great finger wagging for years, is rather indefensible. i know it's not comfortable to realize that your impetuous (to be kind) behaviour may jeopardize things, but hey ... responsibility is a bitch, isn't it?

so which is it? open and cooperative? closed and divisive? either way, play your part. you are not an uninvolved member in this. that's an old and outmoded means of thought.

you are part of what happens. that is both exciting and promising. but it also means you have the ability to screw it up.

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RE[3]: jumping the gun?
by smitty on Thu 8th Mar 2007 06:56 in reply to "RE[2]: jumping the gun?"
smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

If you have an open project but can't talk about it, doesn't that already make it a closed project? Or are you merely upset that Thom brought this to the masses and think that people who care enough should find it on their own?

I'm trying to understand your thinking here...

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