Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Mar 2007 22:32 UTC, submitted by twenex
KDE The KDE 4 release team started a discussion about a possible release schedule for KDE 4. Of course nothing is set yet but the topic is now hot and some interesting problems and point of views come up. In other but related news Oxygen hit the mirrors, or better, kdelibs.
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RE[2]: jumping the gun?
by aseigo on Thu 8th Mar 2007 06:48 UTC in reply to "RE: jumping the gun?"
aseigo
Member since:
2005-07-06

> You are an open project, with open mailing lists
> and open discussion. One of the side effects of
> this is that everyone will be able to follow the
> decision making process-- whether you like it or
> not. If you want this process to not reach the
> people interested, then close this process, and
> discuss something like this internaly.

amazingly, i think that is precisely what *i* said.

what you are missing is that you are part of the decision making process. which would would you prefer? please, tell me. and then once you've told me (hint: open) then explain to me how your behaviour is helping make that happen (hint: it isn't). see the problem? if you don't, think about it until you do.

here's my suggestion: take responsibility . it was your action, not ours, to post this. to toss your actions off as the result of our desire to not be closed off, when that is exactly what you and others like you railed against with great finger wagging for years, is rather indefensible. i know it's not comfortable to realize that your impetuous (to be kind) behaviour may jeopardize things, but hey ... responsibility is a bitch, isn't it?

so which is it? open and cooperative? closed and divisive? either way, play your part. you are not an uninvolved member in this. that's an old and outmoded means of thought.

you are part of what happens. that is both exciting and promising. but it also means you have the ability to screw it up.

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RE[3]: jumping the gun?
by smitty on Thu 8th Mar 2007 06:56 in reply to "RE[2]: jumping the gun?"
smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

If you have an open project but can't talk about it, doesn't that already make it a closed project? Or are you merely upset that Thom brought this to the masses and think that people who care enough should find it on their own?

I'm trying to understand your thinking here...

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RE[4]: jumping the gun?
by aseigo on Thu 8th Mar 2007 07:07 in reply to "RE[3]: jumping the gun?"
aseigo Member since:
2005-07-06

> have an open project but can't talk about it,
> doesn't that already make it a closed project

great question!

see, the assumption here is that openness is considered without the accompanying concepts of respect and responsibility.

it's sort of like nature and living things in general. just because you can choke a breathing thing to death, doesn't mean you should. it's even more absurd to think you can and then complain about it no longer being alive.

just because a project is conversing in the open doesn't mean that it is right, defensible or long-term sustainable to bring those conversations into venues that are not appropriate.

which is to say, it is time people started realizing that they are part of the process and the system. that their (your) actions do have consequences.

we can certainly take these conversations private. the question is whether you want us to, and whether that's the best thing for you.

what do you think?

if you think it wouldn't be the best thing, then how can you (and those involved in this matter) make sure that doesn't happen?

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