Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Mar 2007 22:27 UTC
Java "Although the .NET vs. Java war is basically over for control of the Windows desktop, where .NET is sure to become the managed language of choice for new Windows desktop applications, there is a new battle brewing. That battle is for the Linux desktop. Now that Java has been open sourced under the GPL, even the most strict of the 'free software only' distributions can start bundling it and integrating it into their Linux distributions out of the box."
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RE: Hmmm
by binarycrusader on Thu 8th Mar 2007 07:20 UTC in reply to "Hmmm"
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2005-07-06

*shakes head* Sun just doesn't get it - they keep pushing swing knowing full well the suckage factor that goes with using an interpreted GUI - the speed at which Swing applications are at, you might as well use GTK + Perl for all its worth.

Just because Swing doesn't meet your purposes does not mean that it doesn't meet Sun or other people's purposes.

I think Sun "gets it" just fine.

As far as SWT? That has its own fair share of criticisms which I won't bother covering since many other people have already more than adequately stated what its problems are.

Heck, why doesn't Sun drop Netbeans, port the good stuff to Eclipse and work out an arrangement with IBM to bring Notes 8.0 to OpenSolaris?

Maybe because there are a lot of people using NetBeans that really like it, like *their* customers? You do realise that the usage of NetBeans has *grown* significantly the past few years, right?

Why would they drop a product that is very popular, has a growing community, and that their customers want? That makes no sense.

...recent example of that is their final caving in to reviving Solaris x86 in face of the reality that SPARC royally sucks on anything less than an 8 way machine.

"caving in" ? I fail to see how a decision that made *years* ago now can be defined as a "recent example", nor do I see how you qualify it as caving in.

You also seem to be severly outdated in your performance analysis of Solaris and Sparc if you believe that Solaris "SPARC royally sucks on anything less than an 8 way machine."

The right tools for the right job.

I think Sun's significant turn around not only in image, but in hardware and otherwise proves that they're doing better than you claim.

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RE[2]: Hmmm
by kaiwai on Thu 8th Mar 2007 09:52 in reply to "RE: Hmmm"
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2005-07-06

You also seem to be severly outdated in your performance analysis of Solaris and Sparc if you believe that Solaris "SPARC royally sucks on anything less than an 8 way machine."

Look at the Specint and specfp benchmarks of SPARC vs. AMD64/Intel Core 2, and compare prices; x86 still give the best bang for the buck, especially when it comes to workstations.

http://shop.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/Sun_NorthAmerica-...

$2895 for a low end, single core UltraSPARC IIIi workstation that gets its ass handed to it on a platter by a lower priced Opteron machine being sold by Sun? please. Price performance wise, UltraSPARC always come out worse.

Maybe if they shaved $1500 off the price, it would be in the realms of being realistic in regards to price/performance, but the amount demanded is simply unrealistic - wake up Sun, the days of expensive UNIX stations are long gone.

Compare the servers, an Opteron 4 way dual core machine to a similarly configured UltraSPARC machine - the x86 like the workstation will always outperform - the only saving grace for UltraSPARC is the fact can scale, but when you performance sucks that badly, you need all the scaling you can get your hands onto.

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