Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 5th Mar 2007 23:08 UTC
Microsoft Microsoft Office program manager Brian Jones, whose work has centered around the Open XML document format, now says the so-called format war with OpenDocument is officially over. The winner, he says, is both. Jones made the statement in a blog post over the weekend following the release by Novell of an Open XML translator for OpenOffice. The plug-in enables the free, open source productivity suite to open documents created in the Microsoft format, as well as saving OpenDocument files into Open XML.
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RE[13]: because they lost...
by nberardi on Thu 8th Mar 2007 19:27 UTC in reply to "RE[12]: because they lost..."
nberardi
Member since:
2005-07-10

You are wrong again, it provides the basic mscorlib. Also ROTOR 2.0 is under Microsoft's Shared Source, but ROTOR 1.0 is under BSD.

Browse it for your self:
http://www.123aspx.com/rotor/Default.aspx

You tell me how many Windows wrappers you can fine. I bet it is NONE because ROTOR 1.0 ran under FreeBSD.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=3A1C93FA-7...

Quote from the site - The Shared Source CLI is a compressed archive of the source code to a working implementation of the ECMA CLI and the ECMA C# language specification. This implementation builds and runs on Windows XP, the FreeBSD operating system, and Mac OS X 10.2.

You really need to get out of your dark corner. It is not cool anymore, and venture out in to the real world where people don't just hate for the sake of hate. I don't know what happened to you that made you hate Microsoft so much, maybe it is envy of Bill Gates and his achievements, maybe you were kicked around as a kid, or maybe you are one of those people that can't get through the day with out hating somebody or something. But whatever it is you should probably seek some help.

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RE[14]: because they lost...
by segedunum on Thu 8th Mar 2007 22:12 in reply to "RE[13]: because they lost..."
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Well, I'll reply to point out some glaring inaccuracies, since you seem to assume you know about this.

You are wrong again, it provides the basic mscorlib. Also ROTOR 2.0 is under Microsoft's Shared Source, but ROTOR 1.0 is under BSD.

Wrong again? You've yet to be right! Rotor has never, ever been under a BSD license, always a Shared Source one. There has always been the academic and educational restriction placed on it:

http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/200204/msg00320.html
http://www.southern-storm.com.au/pnet_faq.html#q11_3
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/03/09/1428227

You tell me how many Windows wrappers you can fine. I bet it is NONE because ROTOR 1.0 ran under FreeBSD.

Well, there aren't any wrappers to anything in the main .Net framework because Rotor doesn't actually do anything and it lacks the classes to even be a full CLR. You give me a comprehensive list of all the .Net applications I can run under Rotor that use namespaces within the wider .Net framework such as ADO.Net. I mean, Christ, take a look at your own link. Those classes listed there are all there are.

You also should read your own links. From the above link you gave:

When I started looking at the source code for rotor, I couldn’t believe how invaluable it was.

It is not cool anymore, and venture out in to the real world where people don't just hate for the sake of hate.

I'm laughing my head off at the moment that you actually believe that, considering you have no clue what you're talking about. Oh, well.

I don't know what happened to you that made you hate Microsoft so much, maybe it is envy of Bill Gates...

Boo, hoo, hoo. Cry me a river. Nope, it isn't that. You've been handed a ton of evidence as to the objections for OOXML and why .Net isn't what you think it is. It could have been developed by Microsoft or anyone else. Makes no difference. However, for some reason it always seems to be Microsoft. Go figure.

maybe you were kicked around as a kid

You certainly were - or your head was. There is not a single argument in this pointless exercise that you've actually argued successfully, because you have no clue. Pretty much like an awful lot of people who are arguing for OOXML right now.

But whatever it is you should probably seek some help.

Nice try son. I do have to admire someone who has had his ass handed to him so many times, and been proved wrong so many times, and who still believes he has something to say that is right.

You've had it handed to you over OOXML, and when you switch to talking about .Net you can't even get your facts right there either.

Like I've said, you all go back to the "Everybody hates Microsoft!" argument every single time when there is nothing more to say. Your bus has long gone.

Edited 2007-03-08 22:16

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RE[15]: because they lost...
by nberardi on Thu 8th Mar 2007 23:52 in reply to "RE[14]: because they lost..."
nberardi Member since:
2005-07-10

Well if you don't believe me on the ROTOR once being under BSD checkout the Mono news groups. Because ROTOR out days the Shared Source Initiative by Microsoft. And in the year 2002 the only friendly license they could find was BSD.

In addition ROTOR is meant to be the beginning of the building process. ROTOR more specifically mscorlib is the foundation of all the libraries and it definitely is very usable for generating projects and code based purely on it self. ROTOR was never meant to host enterprise level applications, because that is what the .NET framework was there for. ROTOR was to satisfy the ECMA.

Also I brought up ROTOR to refute your false claim about .NET just being a windows wrapper. At the very core of .NET, mscorlib, it is not a wrapper even remotely.

Also it is also funny seeing you jump around a conversation as much as Kerry jump supported the war before he was against it famous like. I and some of my co-workers have been getting a real chuckle at your expense.

You really have made my week by making me laugh. I will not be making any more replies, not because I am running scared or anything you are probably going to accuse me of. Just because I have used you for enough laughs and I want you to walk away with at least some dignity.

Good day and good luck, and laugh a little, hate fills your heart too much and you just become a lonely and angry person.

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