Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Mar 2007 22:27 UTC
"Although the .NET vs. Java war is basically over for control of the Windows desktop, where .NET is sure to become the managed language of choice for new Windows desktop applications, there is a new battle brewing. That battle is for the Linux desktop. Now that Java has been open sourced under the GPL, even the most strict of the 'free software only' distributions can start bundling it and integrating it into their Linux distributions out of the box."
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RE[2]: Does Java exist on the desktop?
by ma_d on Sun 11th Mar 2007 00:50
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On a low memory machine (under 256 MB) I would probably hesitate to use a java GUI application, but not a cli one.
I'd be curious if that's limited to Swing or if it includes SWT as well? It appears to me that SWT applications eat about 20MB minimally (rought estimate, probably varies quite a bit on different platforms) which is actually fairly competitive with C# application sizes.
RE[3]: Does Java exist on the desktop?
by Kokopelli on Sun 11th Mar 2007 09:07
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I would tend to limit use of a java based GUI in 256 MB of RAM regardless of whether it used SWT, Swing, or AWT. While SWT might be a little better on memory consumption I do not find the difference between the three that significant. I would put c# (except CF) in the same boat.
I like Java and use it quite a bit, but memory constrained environments are not the forte of desktop Java.
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Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/23/13 22:04 UTC
"Google is facing a new antitrust probe by the U.S. Federal Trade Commission into whether the company is using its leadership in the online display-advertising market to illegally curb competition, people familiar with the matter said." Sucks to be Google today, apparently.
Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/23/13 22:01 UTC
"In the midst of the major press blitz surrounding its annual I/O Conference, Google dropped some unfortunate news about its instant messaging plans. In several places around the web, the company is replacing the existing 'Talk' platform with a new one called 'Hangouts' that sharply diminishes support for the open messaging protocol known as XMPP (or sometimes informally Jabber), and also removes the option to disable the archiving of all chat communications. These changes represent a switch from open protocols to proprietary ones, and a clear step backward for many users." That's why I always say: only suckers trust companies.
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Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/22/13 22:23 UTC
"Sony gave the PS4 50% more raw shader performance, plain and simple (768 SPs @ 800MHz vs. 1152 SPs & 800MHz). Unlike last generation, you don't need to be some sort of Jedi to extract the PS4's potential here. The Xbox One and PS4 architectures are quite similar, Sony just has more hardware under the hood. Weâll have to wait and see how this hardware delta gets exposed in games over time, but the gap is definitely there. The funny thing about game consoles is that itâs usually the lowest common denominator that determines the bulk of the experience across all platforms. On the plus side, the Xbox One should enjoy better power/thermal characteristics compared to the PlayStation 4. Even compared to the Xbox 360 we should see improvement in many use cases thanks to modern power management techniques." AnandTech does its usual in-depth thing.
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It is a debate as to whether the memory requirements and cpu utilization is worth it. I can understand these objections to a degree, though I feel that Java is viable on the desktop. But I do object to your characterization of Java's memory usage. Java memory usage is higher than a C application, but not THAT high.
Let's take some examples of fairly heavy apps:
1) Eclipse with the following plugins WTP, TPTP, MYLAR, LDAP, Quantum DB, Subversive SVN, SpringIDE, CDT, and AspectJ. I do not know the exact size of the projects but I have the entirety of JXTA in my current workspace and I assure you that is a significant amount of code. Memory usage: 126MB. (With a lot of editors and extended use it sometimes grows to about 200-250 MB, but 126 MB is my usage right now as I am winding down my day.)
2) JBoss 4.05 running 4 moderate sized applications: 148MB
3) Netbeans: only the SVN plugin and 3 smallish projects (~15K lines of code): 178 MB
And a lighter app:
4) jxplorer: A fairly simple LDAP GUI: 33 MB
With the exception of jxplorer none of these apps are what could be termed "light weight" but only one exceeded what you termed the least amount of RAM that a Java app uses. That is blind dismissal of the platform for reasons that just plain are not valid.
The machines I use are fairly powerful (1.6 GHz CoreDuo Laptop, a 1.4 GHz Pentium D, and an E6400 Core2Duo desktop) but I do not have much problems with startup time. The only application that I note taking a long time to load is Amarok. (likely due to my use of XFCE4 instead of KDE.)
I grant that I do not use Java too much on the "Desktop" except for Eclipse. This is simply because the Java applications have not been the ones that filled my needs. On a low memory machine (under 256 MB) I would probably hesitate to use a java GUI application, but not a cli one.